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RAZD Member (Idle past 1698 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
A better thread for this assertion is Flood not the Cause of the Grand Canyon -- Not a Biased Opinion
You can even read some of the reasons given before jumping in. This has been covered several times, and is another creationist PRATT. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1698 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Keep it going Jar -- its a good read. I'm about 1/2 way through this ...
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1698 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
This from Wikipedia: ...Clays are distinguished from other small particles present in soils such as silt by their small size, flake or layered shape, affinity for water and high plasticity index." I thought clays were also characterized by ionic polarity (like water, thus the affinity for water), while silt was not. Both, being very small particle size, settle slowly in water, and thus take a lot longer to accumulate than larger granular sediment (like sand (or shells)) when they have to settle out of the water column. Clay - Wikipedia
quote: Or am I mixing definitions:
quote: Defining it by size alone seems a little arbitrary to me, especially when you can have particles above and below that limit that exhibit plasticity and particles above and below that limit that don't exhibit plasticity (or should we have 'plastic clays' and 'non-plastic clays'?). Silt - Wikipedia
quote: Another thing Clay - Wikipedia
quote: This implies that all clays take a long time to make, but I also thought that clays were formed by (mixing water with) volcanic ash? Volcanic ash - Wikipedia
quote: Which would be a fairly rapid process for making clay (mixed with larger particles) layers, and the different size particles could be separated by erosion and different settling rates ... {abe} from Message 117 by roxrcool:
The chemistry of ash is very diagnostic and can be chemically characterized by looking at grain sizes, mineralogic compositions, and trace-element compositions. Each volcanic eruption, even if it's from the same volcano, will be slightly different, and so by studying these differences and mapping out the extents of the ash layers themselves, we can often trace them back to their source. When deposited on land, these ash layers can remain relatively fresh retaining their primary mineralogy, though glass will devitrify (to clay) over time in the presence of water. When the ash falls on water, however, like the ocean or an inland sea, and is subsequently deposited in a subaqueous settings, the glass shards quickly devitrify into clay particles. (Note: devitrification means that the amorphous glass structure, which is unstable at surface conditions and free of water, will change into a more stable, orderly, and water-bearing form, and so in the case of volcanic glass, the glass converts to clay - typically bentonite.) Some of the larger ash particles become clay in water? Enjoy. Edited by RAZD, : roxrcool quote compare Fiocruz Genome and fight Muscular Dystrophy with Team EvC! (click) we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1698 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Precambrian from their stratigraphic position and complete lack of fossils. That makes them some of the oldest sedimentary rocks in the world. It's unusual to find supracrustal rocks (rocks that are deposited on the earth's surface like sediments or lava flows) this old that havn't been metamorphosed (deeply burried and altered mineralogically). Do we have a sedimentary layer without (recognizable) signs of life near the bottom of the canyon, and a layer above that ...
Message 143 (Jar): Now for the big question. It seems that this last layer is the first to actually show signs of live, but only of cyanobacteria. Is this correct?
Message 144 (Rox): I believe the first signs of life in the Grand Canyon are visible in the Bass Limestone. I recall reading about stromatolites in the Bass. I thought the Bass (3a?) was above the Vishnu Schist (1a) and the schist was metamorphic, and that only leaves group 2 below (did I miss something between the Vishnu and the Bass? (and is this where the layer(s) got "pinched"?)
The Houtata Conglomerate from Message 115 Or are these two sedimentary layers, one without life one with, both in the Bass? I was not aware of any non-metamorphic sedimentary rock that did not show life. Thanks compare Fiocruz Genome and fight Muscular Dystrophy with Team EvC! (click) we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1698 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Welcome back Jar,
This thread has been so wonderfully kept on track that it is a shame to let it slide.
The last formation in the Super Group is the Sixty Mile Formation and after that we can get to some of the fun stuff I am dying to understand. I have heard that the makeup of the Sixty Mile formation is somewhat similar to the Chuar group but that it contains more breccias and other conglomerates. What more can you tell us? I believe a number of the geologists that have provided such valuable input on this topic are still around (perhaps hiding in the wings waiting for a good geology topic). Can someone pick up the dialogue at this point? Enjoy. by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1698 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
This is a great thread, and I'd like to see some more progress from the bottom layers.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1698 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Hi Chuck77,
Can you and RAZD maybe find a few good posts that sum up the thread so far that would bring me up to speed? I'm not a geologist, and I am learning from this thread, so we are in the same boat there. Enjoy.by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1698 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Message 1: I'd like for us to discuss the Grand Canyon, beginning with the lowest, oldest layers and then working up to the top, layer by layer. I'd like to see explanations for each layer, it's composition, the environment when it was created, and get questions about that layer answered before we move up to the next layer. If possible, can we begin with the Vishnu Schist? This is a great thread that I would like to see continued. by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1698 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Thought this was the best place for this:
From National Geographic
quote: Dry sand dunes ... footprints ... too bad it doesn't say which sandstone layer the boulder came from. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1698 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1698 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
The idea of multiple waves leaving areas of dry land all through the Flood seems a pretty big deal to me. ... Waves that miraculously do not erase the tracks as they rush across the land. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1698 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
There is a very interesting and information filled pdf graphic at Geologic Time Line of the Grand Canyon:
This graphic shows information on paleogeography, sea levels, rocks, tectonism, magmatism, and life. +There is a geological column in the center with additional detail v other columns that have been posted. What this shows is the order that everything occurred in the Grand Canyon area (including the staircase). There is also a lot of back-up text there too, from the U of Arizona. The second page has a cross section of the Canyon. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : .by our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) |
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