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Author | Topic: Exploring the Grand Canyon, from the bottom up. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Admin Director Posts: 13108 From: EvC Forum Joined:
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You may be interested in a new thread from Dr A and Pressie that will present a general overview of geology. It's still in the thread proposal stage (Introduction To Geology), but should get promoted soon.
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jar Member (Idle past 99 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Another one that might help is How to make Sand that starts at Message 1.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1665 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Hi Chuck77,
Can you and RAZD maybe find a few good posts that sum up the thread so far that would bring me up to speed? I'm not a geologist, and I am learning from this thread, so we are in the same boat there. Enjoy.by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1665 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Message 1: I'd like for us to discuss the Grand Canyon, beginning with the lowest, oldest layers and then working up to the top, layer by layer. I'd like to see explanations for each layer, it's composition, the environment when it was created, and get questions about that layer answered before we move up to the next layer. If possible, can we begin with the Vishnu Schist? This is a great thread that I would like to see continued. by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1665 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Thought this was the best place for this:
From National Geographic
quote: Dry sand dunes ... footprints ... too bad it doesn't say which sandstone layer the boulder came from. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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PaulK Member Posts: 17919 Joined: Member Rating: 6.7
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By the given age (310 million years ago) I’d guess the very start of the Wescogame Formation. Footprints were discovered in that formation more than 100 years ago, but later in date.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1704 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Of course it's just an animal running from the Flood waters about 4500 years ago and eventually overtaken and buried in that particular layer which of course isn't a time period hundreds of millions of years old.
sn't. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17919 Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
quote: Good luck coming up with a Flood geology scenario that explains how footprints can be found at many levels of the geological column.
quote: Nobody thinks that a rock layer is a time period, Faith. That’s just something you made up. You would think that somebody who boasts of being honest and rational would avoid repeating crazy falsehoods. But here we are.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1704 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Funny, it's rock layers that are labeled as time periods in scads of illustrations of the geo column.
As for footprints on layers, some animals obviously escaped wave after wave of the Flood's incursion before finally getting caught. Big deal. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1665 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
typical
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Phat Member Posts: 18655 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.4 |
Upon googling that image that you presented, I found this.
Both sides have valid arguments in this one.
One of the most common (and one of the worst) arguments made by creationists -when it comes to Geology- is: The geologic column doesn’t exist anywhere in the world!! I run into this statement ad nauseam in their educational videos and literature. They state that the text books are lying to us and that it is a another fabrication made up by scientists to mislead and indoctrinate or children to convince us of the lie of evolution. But what argument are they actually making when they say this? Are they implying that the earth doesn’t not contain multiple stratigraphical layers? Of course not. This awful argument is formed on the foundation that most creationist arguments are: confusion and a straw man understanding of geology. The first problem they run into is confusing the geologic time scale with a geologic column,and in some cases doing so on purpose to confuse the issue. Comments? Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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PaulK Member Posts: 17919 Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
quote: That is the time period when the material was deposited. It isn’t saying that the rock IS the time period. You would have to be insane to think that.
quote: The idea of multiple waves leaving areas of dry land all through the Flood seems a pretty big deal to me. How do you fit that with the supposedly accurate story in the Bible ?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17919 Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
quote: What creationist - or to be accurate - YEC - arguments do you consider to be valid ?
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1665 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
The idea of multiple waves leaving areas of dry land all through the Flood seems a pretty big deal to me. ... Waves that miraculously do not erase the tracks as they rush across the land. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Phat Member Posts: 18655 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.4 |
Honestly? None of them. I don't believe that God would be so obtuse in His interaction with humanity. I believe that we will be judged by our response to what we have to work with. Stubborn beliefs without evidence are a dangerous form of thinking.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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