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Author Topic:   Commonalities Of Accounts Of A Universal Flood?
melatonin
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Message 10 of 92 (353715)
10-02-2006 5:53 PM


The welsh legend revolves around Dwyfan and his partner, a dragon-like monster was angered, thrashed around and flooded Briton. Only Dwyfan and his partner survived becoming the Adam and Eve (I think Dafydd is our version of Steve - you'd have to know Little Britain to get that one).
A lake near to were I live is named after the beasty, Lyn yr Afanc, claiming this to be the lake of the legend. Although there are many lakes in Wales named after it.
Apparently the original celtic legend was bastardised by a particular group to conform closer to the bible myth.
ABE: here's an outline...
(Welsh) Also Dwyfan. Dwyvan and his wife, Swyfach, are the heroes of the Welsh flood myth. Together they built an ark, filled it with animals, and survived the great flood caused by Addanc, a lake God/dragon/faery. Though later versions of this myth are distorted in order to make it conform to the Biblical version, the old story shines through and we see that Dwyvan was the personification of the male creative principle which has taken over for the older sacrificed God.
The Welsh deluge legend says that he and his wife were each part of one river which flowed into Bala Lake which was at one time called Lake Dyfrdwy, from the term dyfr-dwyf meaning "water of the divinity".
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melatonin
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Message 17 of 92 (353738)
10-02-2006 8:23 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Faith
10-02-2006 7:35 PM


Doesn't really apply to the welsh myth. It is part of a triad of disasters that are proposed to have affected Prydain (Briton; a volcano and massive heatwave being the others), and is also found in Silurian (soith wales) myths. The two involved are actually viewed as a god and goddess themselves. You can't just pick one and discard the others. Welsh myths always came in triads as a memory aid.
The basis of the myth is proposed to be the creation of the Irish Sea due to glacial melting following the last ice-age. There is difficulty comparing the welsh and Irish celtic myths though because, like the welsh celts, some christians decided to destroy the Irish celts manuscripts (St. Patrick apparently destroyed 400 books in one library).
But I like the judeo-centric bias that only others are distorted and embellished by memory & reason issues.

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melatonin
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Message 20 of 92 (353749)
10-02-2006 8:55 PM
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10-02-2006 8:44 PM


No not according to myth itself, it is a modern interpretation, given there is no evidence of a world-wide flood, it makes sense to look for other large floods that would make sense of the myth.
I'll try and find the St Patrick information for you. But it is well known that he purged Ireland of paganism and celtic history. That which could not be purged was assimilated. The story of Patrick ridding Ireland of snakes is actually suggested to refer to druids.

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