What's really occuring here guys is that you evos, as a group, have a hard time seeing past your own biasness, and so you see every creationist as poorly educated or as irrational because you cannot imagine someone fully understanding what you believe and still rejecting it based on factual grounds, and it seems from Percy's post that he may see it that way as well.
But contrary to what you believe, the insular perspective of the evos here is not necessarily shared by intelligent and educated people as a whole. Take the recent Washington Post and NPR stories that, considering their liberal perspective, dealt a rather severe thrashing in their reporting of the evos at the Smithsonian and the evo scientific community in general.
You guys are so biased that it seems incredible to you that their reporting is not the result of being misled, or you downplay it, and cannot, for the most part, see why anyone thinks the evo community has acted deplorably, but you gotta know when NPR and the Washington Post are echoeing the randman here, that perhaps I'm not the one way out on the fringe.
And that's part of the reason I accepted the moderator position. I would like to help this place return to foster a sense of discussion rather than juvenile attempts to win debating points with the audience being so one-sided that regardless of veracity, you get an amen corner.
Before you try to argue against someone, you should be able to articulate and understand their position. I am confident I can present and argue evolutionist arguments as well as anyone here. I am also confident that many of the evos here cannot articulate and argue the stances I take, nor other IDers, nor creationists, and don't really understand the nature of our criticism.
It's up the forum members to make a choice. They can choose to try to understand their critics and engage their points, which sometimes occurs, or the evos here can present their canned arguments that we have heard ad nauseum and in which we unbelievers in ToE don't find convincing, and frequently never acknowledging the real issues raised.
That's my perspective. I think it would surprise many here to awaken to the fact that claiming critics of ToE don't post here not because they cannot argue their points or are poorly educated, but simply because the childishness, rudeness, and lack of willingness to engage in discussion are so prevalent from the other side. What needs to happen is for the evolutionists here to stop and realize that most people are well-acquainted with their theories and beliefs already, but that many don't accept those theories, and take the time to learn why, instead of assuming it's just because they lie to themselves, or are brainwashed, stupid, poorly educated, etc,...
If you cannot bring yourself to consider that a well-educated, reasonable person can reject ToE, then you probably ought not to be wasting your time on the forum anyway because you are not interested in discussion, but in trying to make yourself feel better by bashing people you look down upon.
As far as myself, perhaps I am too proud, but considering my background, education, etc,...it just makes me laugh to think of people trying to look down upon me intellectually, considering that somehow I am not intelligent or ignorant, etc,.., I am insecure about some things like all of us, but not about my intelligence and education.
This message has been edited by AdminRandman, 11-18-2005 08:18 PM
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