quote:indeed, banning the people who object is the surest way to get brought down to the level of uncommon descent, or any other creationist-run board were the bias is literally in the forum rules. further, it's a fast and effective way to destroy the community that many of the as-yet-unbanned people used to know and love. i can't speak of others, but i know my desire to post has gone way down. maybe the forum will eventually recover; maybe not. but it sure won't be the same without people like omni, side, nwr, ringo... all those old-timers you spoke of that form the backbone of the community here. yeah, it's always the same old fight -- but it has been for the last 150 years. it always will be.
percy, if you choose to ban me for speaking my mind, i can't stop you. you've banned almost everyone else who did, the people that normally ensured fair moderation. the new system, i'll get over it. but i can't just stand by while all the valued members of the this forum either leave on their own or are forced to leave by you. i'm concerned for the well-being of the site and the community, and i am sincerely disappointed and worried by the absences left by people you have indefinitely suspended for reasons that run counter to everything this place used to stand for. i don't know what will become of EvC, but this is, in my humblest of opinions, not a good first foot forward. you've always listened to reason in past, percy, something i have greatly respected. please don't stop now.
quote: i do not see the shift from "democracy" to "totalitarian dictatorship" as a good thing. maybe you do -- but a lot of people are now afraid to post discussing this issue lest they be dragged out into the street and shot, so to speak. and those who aren't... well, board activity is way down.
and what is really going on with these seemingly random indefinite suspensions? i can't even figure what jar did, if anything. brenna got banned for showing concern for your wellbeing. i think everyone's upset about this. why are you banning old and formerly valued members of the community?
I am, frankly, appalled at all of these suspensions.
quote:Things are simpler now. I've removed those who I felt were the most divisive elements and also those who requested it. For those of you for whom the changes and suspensions are truly unendurable then there are other alternative than just excoriating me, which won't do anything except make me feel bad.
You should feel bad, because banning people from a debate board for being divisive is a pretty nonsensical thing to do.
And I'm not surprised that people like Buzsaw, ICANT, and to some extent, Moose, would be in support of your actions.
They all lean towards the dictatorial, Authoritarian mindset, and now it seems that you have embraced this way of solving problems as well.
quote:You are a bunch of the most ungrateful people I have ever seen in my entire 68 years of life.
Percy has provided us a place to air our views free of charge.
He won't take money. We've offered.
quote:I have enjoyed being able to be a part of EvC. I know to most I have some very off beat views about everything. This is the only place I have ever found that I can really express them and get somebody to make me question them and for that I am forever grateful.
What you don't seem to understand is that what Percy has done with his mass purge of "undesireables" critical of him is made this place less of a place that welcomes freedom of expression.
quote:Now for EvC's sake shut up and let Percy do his job.
It is for EvC's sake that we are speaking up.
quote:Just so you know if I was in his position and I saw one more negative remark of any kind concerning the decisions that have been made I would shut this site down so fast your computers might crash because of it.
Right, becasue you don't really believe in freedom of expression.
At least, not enough to tolerate criticism of your own actions.
quote:equality in moderation would not anger me in the slightest. i think it was a good thing, and would be a good thing, and it's something i've argued for in the past. i think many "evos" here would agree, too. it's the only real way to ensure fairness in moderation. so long as the moderators follow the rules themselves and don't go, you know, randomly banning people they disagree with.
That's why AdminBuz is worth his weight in gold around here.
He's a good moderator and could certainly teach Percy a thing or two right about now.
quote:Providing an explanation of exactly why people have been suspended, in the appropriate thread, as per normal practice might be a good start in dispelling the bad blood.
Percy has already "explained" in Message #18 of this thread:
I'm only issuing indefinite suspensions to members who specifically request it, or who indicate by the nature of a reply that they would be a divisive presence in moving forward. In some circumstances I weighed past history.
In other words, Percy didn't like the criticism he got from some of these people so gave them the boot.
Of course, Brenna didn't criticise but instead offered sympathy and help and got booted, so I guess Percy just doesn't like her or something.
quote:It appears that a number of old timers want business as usual. The problem is that business as usual has been running the site down. Unfortunately change involves members, some of who have been our friends. It appears that Admin is eliminating some who he regards as reluctant to change.
It doesn't look that way to me.
It looks to me like Percy killed off the people who he had clashed with in the past, and therefore doesn't like to have to deal with, and when criticized for it, he gave some of those people the boot, too.
I still don't have any idea why Brenna was cleansed from the site.