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CK
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Message 47 of 188 (384257)
02-10-2007 5:50 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by Buzsaw
02-10-2007 5:41 PM


Re: This is old.
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Where are the mainline secularist scientists who should be out there to ether establish or refute this alleged evidence?
Is that a serious question? Why would a Scientist waste their time on a non-existant boat from a flood that never happened?
You might as well ask why people are not out debunking Thor's Hammer!

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CK
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Message 51 of 188 (384266)
02-10-2007 6:39 PM
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02-10-2007 6:23 PM


Re: Why Research?
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1. Because their hypothesis is being challenged and debated widely.
Oh please - that's up there with "evolution is a theory in crisis" - nobody is debating this besides a few cranks and people like us on the internet. This is not a blip on the radar for the scientific community except for a few people on the fringes - Scientists have lots of real things to investigate...

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CK
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Message 122 of 188 (385135)
02-14-2007 10:51 AM
Reply to: Message 121 by Buzsaw
02-14-2007 10:37 AM


Re: The Genesis Noahic Flood is a lie.
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The bottom line to my position is that science cannot be so positive that the Biblical account is impossible and that science has empirically falsified that account.
The problem with your approach is that you wish to take each issue in isolation, so you can suggest discrete solutions for each of the problem areas. however when you look at the flood in totality, then the problems are just too large to overcome. From the flood to be true or even possible, virtually every single scientific discipline plus the study of history would have to be fundamentally flawed, and virtually all of our empirical knowledge would be suspect. If our knowledge was flawed in such a manner, it would be unlikely that we would have seen the technological innovation that we have over the last 2000 years, it would be impossible with such major misunderstandings being present in our scientific foundations.
In addition it would require all scientific disciplines and scientists to be getting it wrong all the time everytime.
there are literally thousands of problems with the biblical account, covering chemistry, physics, biology,biophysics,our understanding of ecologies,geology, geophysics,hydrology,meteorology, physical geography,oceanography, soil science - the list just goes on and on all of these would have to be wrong in fundamental ways for the biblical account to be true.
Every single thread we have about the flood ends in the same way special pleading, handwaving, some vague musing about science getting it wrong, some vague musing about science not knowing everything.
it's entirely up to you if you want to believe in the flood, based disingenuous of you to say any more than " I believe in the flood but I have absolutely no idea how it would work in accordance with scientific principles".
that really is the start middle and end of your position.
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It's just an example of one possibility.
This is just a shotgun technique, every time your possibilities get shot down all you do is suggest another "well maybe..."
Edited by CK, : clarification
Edited by CK, : typos introduced because of using voice recognition.
Edited by CK, : No reason given.

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