The Flood

Geology is the study of pressure and time. If you can't understand the timescales involved, you will never be able to understand geology. Virtually every vertical slice of ground today has significant layers that were underwater at sometime in the past. Different times however, so don't start that 6000 year old earth business based upon ignorance of evidence.Edited by anglagard, : clarity

So I suppose these 'fountains of the deep' were overlain by solid rock of greater density. And therefore, in defiance of gravity, these fountains managed to flood the entire surface of the world.Obviously, i am compelled to make "light things float and heavy things sink" a part of my signature.Edited by anglagard, : the singnature!Edited by anglagard, : overreaching

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Light things float and heavy things sink - any unbiased kindergardnerThe more we understand particular things, the more we understand God -Spinoza

Better think again, I would never say that any physical effect lacked a physical cause. It is not just due to my background in physical science but is even my religion.I would definitely argue that the earth did not have layers of mantle, then ocean, then hard impermeable crust, then air, then water on top of the air as our YECs seem to be doing. This is in defiance of anything remotely resembling common sense as "light things float and heavy things sink." Do you know what happens to the geyser water after any "burst?" It falls back down to the ground, where much of it seeps back down to the geyser, gets reheated and pops back up in a cycle. Do you know why the water doesn't just keep going up?Do you know that any physical force over time will establish equilibrium with its environment? A physical force like gravity, for instance. This is why you can't have rock over ocean and ocean over air or over the vacuum of space.Why don't you just give up like Baumgardner and say..."and then a miracle occurred?"

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Light things float and heavy things sink - any unbiased kindergardnerThe more we understand particular things, the more we understand God -Spinoza

I thought only very small rocks floated on water as per Monty Python and the Holy GrailThe real question is did the continents weigh as much as a duck? Until that is established, we don't know if flood tectonics is a workable hypothesis. Edited by anglagard, : Subtitle

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Light things float and heavy things sink - any unbiased kindergardnerThe more we understand particular things, the more we understand God -Spinoza

When I use the term 'water' I mean, like most the people I know, the liquid state of H2O. When water is in a gaseous state, I use the term steam, or in a solid state, I use the term ice. When water is heated enough and goes into a gaseous state it can indeed rise above rock and liquid water as it is less dense than its surroundings. Are you saying that it is possible for water to flow 'uphill' under atmospheric pressure? Do you believe that scientists should go around looking for instances or evidence where water flows uphill just because you say it might have?Us painters used to say plumbers had to only know two things, shit goes downhill and payday's on Friday. My advice to you is don't try to become a plumber, You're not qualified. Most of the things people call springs are at the surface of the earth. In virtually all instances, springs are caused by water flowing downhill from a nearby or even distant higher elevation. On rare occasions water can come up due to pressure much greater than atmospheric from below, but these occurrences are rare, localized, and temporary. They also require the breaching of an impermeable layer, something that can not continuously extend over the entire surface of the earth due to things like faults, volcanoes, plate tectonics, lateral variability in formations etc. The only way the earth's core would heat up is if the pressure increased. The only way the pressure can increase is if the mass of the earth increases. Other than that, yes, I am going to tall you the earth's core will not heat up "just because it feels like it."Also, if water reaches enough heat it turns to steam. Warmer water does not significantly increase in volume unless it changes state to steam/vapor, but then it is in a gaseous state, not a liquid state. If you don't believe me, heat a cup of water in a microwave and observe what happens to the volume as its temperature increases. In virtually all cases groundwater is not 'under' rock, it is in the pores of the rock. The only water I know of that is 'under' rock is in cavepools. Notice how even air is under rock in caves. This does not mean that the air or the water is heavier than the rock, it means that under local conditions where the overhead rock is held up by the rocks on the sides and therefore below, holes in the rock can occur.In fact, when the 'caves' are really small, they are called pores. The pores are where the water is in aquifers. the water is in the pores because, if it can get there, it is heavier than the air formerly in the pores and displaces it. When it rains on the surface, this is what happens, the water goes downhill so to speak. After a rain the surface is unsaturated, a zone below, called the vadoze zone, is partially saturated, and below that lies the fully saturated zone.Deep in the earth, there are no more pores due to pressure and any water or air becomes part of the rock.Do you understand why hydrologists say that the water is in the rock instead of under the rock?Also for such water to come up out of the rock, it had to have a greater force than gravity applied to it in order to make it go up. If this force is pressure as a result of heat, then the water would have to achieve a gaseous state to come up, which is why such a force that would bury Mt. Everest with water would poach any ark, unless it had a force field of some sort like in Star Trek.BTW, if that much energy had been released 4500 years ago this planet would be like Venus today, not earth. First, I have never seen or heard of objects of higher density float above objects of lower density. Second I have never seen or heard of water at atmospheric pressure flowing uphill. While some people may curse the laws of physics, they still can't defy them or provide examples of their wholesale violation without being in danger of winning a Nobel, or disbarring that, being thought a looney.Do you understand that I have issues with people, like Charley, who say the continents could have 'floated' on water? Do you understand why I have issues with people who say water can flow uphill? Do you understand that I have issues with people who blatantly misrepresent what I have said and then imply it's my fault because I supposedly misunderstood? (see previous post)Learn some physics and try to be honest with yourself before you lecture me on your 'higher moral standards,' wisdom, and openmindedness.Edited by anglagard, : clarify by using under atmospheric pressure, water does not flow uphill

I was wondering where Moses said nothing on board the vessel survived this global flood? By vessel do you mean the ark?

You forgot capillary action OK you got me, there are significantly less than global examples of water 'flowing uphill' if one considers momentum or other forces locally overcoming gravity.The important question regarding the source and action of any 'fountains of the deep' is do any of these small-scale examples disprove isostasy?

It's called geophysics due to the fact that it is the physics of the earth. There is no layer of water below the continents not just because the continents are denser than water but also because the water would not permit shear waves to be transmitted. This is because liquids do not shear and every recorded observation of shear waves in the earth show they go through everything until they reach the depth of the liquid outer core.