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Coragyps
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Message 46 of 96 (101648)
04-21-2004 6:26 PM
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04-21-2004 4:43 PM


Re: Antartic Ice Cores
Everything in Science from 1996 (?) to a year before today's date is free at their website with registration: Science | AAAS
You can kill a great deal of time there if you're suitably motivated.

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rickrose
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Message 47 of 96 (102667)
04-25-2004 11:31 PM
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10-08-2003 12:33 AM


good logic, good spirit.

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allenroyboy
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Message 48 of 96 (180411)
01-25-2005 9:46 AM


Creationary view of the Ice Age
I just scanned through the comments in this thread.
I'd like to direct your attention to Michal Oard's monograph "An Ice Age caused by the Genesis Flood" 199?. This book can be interlibrary loaned if you don't want to buy it. Much of the content of his book can be found on-line in an assortment of articles. Just search for his name. I'd like to see a discussion of his points by those who take the time to read the book.
Allen
PS Oard was a government meterologist for 25 year (just recently retired).
Allen

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Quetzal
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Message 49 of 96 (180416)
01-25-2005 10:09 AM
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01-25-2005 9:46 AM


Re: Creationary view of the Ice Age
And, for those who don't want to bother reading the book, a precis of Oard's key points is contained in a reprint of an Origins article here (click), written by the man himself.

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Joe Meert
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Message 50 of 96 (180632)
01-25-2005 10:30 PM
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01-25-2005 10:09 AM


Re: Creationary view of the Ice Age
I just love this:
quote:
The flood was a tremendous tectonic and volcanic event. Layers of volcanic ash mixed within sedimentary rocks and large basaltic lava flows attest to extensive flood volcanism. Over 50,000 volcanoes are estimated on land and on the bottom of the ocean. Many of these likely formed during the flood. At the end of the flood a large amount of volcanic dust and aerosols would presumably have been trapped in the upper atmosphere.
JM: To which I say (again).. What flood? There is no evidence for a flood. This whole article states (matter-of-factly) that a global flood occurred and everything can be explained because of that. The problem is that no one is willing to be pinned down on the timing of the flood and the evidence for the flood. If it occurred in the Precambrian (ala Setterfield and a few others), then the Phanerozoic geologic record (especially the Pleistocene) would be fairly far removed from the ravages of the flood (even using a 10000 year interval). Until Oard can tell us when the flood happened and why we find paleosols forming during the flood, his meteorological conjectures are quite useless.
Cheers
Joe Meert

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roxrkool
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Message 51 of 96 (180906)
01-26-2005 5:29 PM
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01-25-2005 10:30 PM


Re: Creationary view of the Ice Age
I think that's one of the most annoying tactics by YEC 'scientists' - mentioning the Flood as fact as if they actually had evidence of it having occurred.

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Brad McFall
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Message 52 of 96 (180911)
01-26-2005 5:35 PM
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01-25-2005 10:09 AM


Re: Creationary view of the Ice Age
quote:
Many phenomena that have not yet been adequately explained occurred in the latest period of geologic time. The Pleistocene is part of post-flood time in a creation-flood paradigm. This period was
To Joe etc;
But this part I dont think is in any different question than WHY we have not an elevated science post Croizat's notion of Ptolemic Biogeogrpahy. THIS IS WHEN most of the confusioning notions arise in my thinking about change at least. With all the fusions I cant really yet have a sense of where is before or after the various opnions on the flood whether a small one in fact as some in NY purported or that heard of in faith environments.

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Joe Meert
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Message 53 of 96 (180951)
01-26-2005 8:23 PM
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01-26-2005 5:35 PM


Re: Creationary view of the Ice Age
Ahh Brad, We can always depend on you for some delicious word salad.
Cheers
Joe Meert

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roxrkool
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Message 54 of 96 (180958)
01-26-2005 9:26 PM
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01-26-2005 5:35 PM


Re: Creationary view of the Ice Age
Brad, I would love to respond... I just don't know what to say. Could you perhaps re-word?

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roxrkool
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Message 55 of 96 (180959)
01-26-2005 9:28 PM
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01-26-2005 8:23 PM


Re: Creationary view of the Ice Age
lol
"Word salad" has just been added to my vocabulary.
Thanks!

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TrueCreation
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Message 56 of 96 (180960)
01-26-2005 9:44 PM
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01-26-2005 8:23 PM


Re: Creationary view of the Ice Age
hahaha! Im rolling!

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Quetzal
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Message 57 of 96 (180965)
01-26-2005 10:03 PM
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01-25-2005 10:30 PM


Re: Creationary view of the Ice Age
And not only paleosols: fossilized raindrops and mudcracks (it dried during the flood?), bioturbation (obviously the little wormies were digging through the recently laid down sediments to avoid the next series of waves, or something), etc. And of course, there's the entire post-flud clean-up ably performed by a drunken sot and his prissy family while simultaneously avoiding getting eaten by all those starving predators he had on the Ark. Etc.

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Joe Meert
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Message 58 of 96 (180977)
01-26-2005 10:34 PM
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01-26-2005 9:44 PM


Re: Creationary view of the Ice Age
quote:
hahaha! Im rolling!
JM: Hey buddy! How's it going at USF? I'm still pissed they did not allow you in here, but I can always hope to grab you when you come to grad school. Are you liking it?
Cheers
Joe Meert

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Joe Meert
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Message 59 of 96 (180979)
01-26-2005 10:36 PM
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01-26-2005 9:28 PM


Re: Creationary view of the Ice Age
quote:
Word salad" has just been added to my vocabulary.
JM: Now check out the definition!
Cheers
Joe Meert

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roxrkool
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Message 60 of 96 (180992)
01-26-2005 11:48 PM
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01-26-2005 10:36 PM


Re: Creationary view of the Ice Age
Well, what do you know! lol

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