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nwr Member Posts: 6409 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
I have a few common sense questions of my own to add.
1: How did the two koalas and kangaroos get back to Australia after the flood, and why were they not noticed in the middle east? 2: How did the pair of echidnas survive when there was only one pair of termites for them to eat, and how did the termites survive if they were eaten? 3: Koalas are very fussy eaters. How much eucalyptus leaves did they have to store on the ark, and where did they find the refrigerator to keep those leaves fresh?
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nwr Member Posts: 6409 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
This thread was started almost 2 weeks ago. As yet, no flood proponent has responded to the questions raised.
Or should we assume all are in agreement, that it does not add up?
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nwr Member Posts: 6409 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Thanks for that link to an older thread. I'll be browsing through that. I haven't found any good flood proponent arguments in the first 40 posts.
It always seemed obvious to me that the flood story was a fable. Perhaps that's because I'm Australian by birth, and the flood story did not seem consistent with our unique fauna. But one would think it should be just as obvious to Americans, and for similar reasons. Added in edit: I have now finished reading that biogeography thread. It was hilarious, particularly after Robert Byers joined in. I had to keep checking my browser to see if I had been redirected to the Onion. This message has been edited by nwr, 08-21-2005 06:23 PM
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nwr Member Posts: 6409 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Satellite pictures have shown the Ark with exact dimensions described in the Bible.
It's pretty amusing. About once every 3 years, I hear a report of Noah's ark being discovered. How many arks were there? How many Noah's were there? Or did the flood happen many times?
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nwr Member Posts: 6409 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
The Ark was about 1.5 (American) football fields in length and about three stories high. Plenty of room for the animal kinds.
And only 8 zookeepers to take care of them all. As a vetinary trainee you should already see a problem there.
As for Austrailian animals.... Austrailia is a very unique climate. the animals that migrated there did so because they thrived there best.
Rabbits are known to do well in Australia. Why didn't they migrate there. The same question applies to sheep. What did they feed the koalas and the echidnas on the ark?
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nwr Member Posts: 6409 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
I always wondered who went ahead of the koalas planting eucalyptus trees for them, only to take them up after the koala herd went by.
Yes, that would be another big problem.
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nwr Member Posts: 6409 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Actually 8 people is not that bad as many animals, such as the grazers, did not have to be fed every day. i.e. they were likely given enough food at a time to last 2 or more days.
They would need to do more than just feed the critters. They would need to clean out their dung, and get them some exercise.
As for the Aussie animals, I think that God has a sense of humor and directed animals to different places, Austrailia being his "oddity" place.
If Aussie animals were on the ark, isn't it strange that none of them were even explicitely mentioned? These animals are odd enough, that you would think something would have been written about them.
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nwr Member Posts: 6409 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
So that's 200,000+ pounds of elephant poop.....
When you remember all of the other animals, then those 8 zookeepers would be shovelling it all day, and they wouldn't be able to keep up.
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nwr Member Posts: 6409 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Umm...why are the Admins keep editing our posts? And no reason given? Please, guys.
I'm guessing. Probably the quoting was messed up, and the Admin fixed it. If you preview your message before posting, that's less likely to happen.
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nwr Member Posts: 6409 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
The dung beatles fly in to make and bury balls of dung for their eggs.
The problem is that there was only one pair of dung beetles on the ark. That's not enough to take care of the elephant droppings.
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nwr Member Posts: 6409 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
I have a few common sense questions of my own to add. 1: How did the two koalas and kangaroos get back to Australia after the flood, and why were they not noticed in the middle east? An absence of mention does not prove they didn't exist and weren't noticed. However, why is this such a problem? It is possible they (micro)evolved from an earlier parent type that was on the ark, after locating themselves in a particular geographic environment that then split from the original unified land mass and became Australia. There is no reason to assume that insects were taken on the ark the way the animals were.
quote:What do you take to be the meaning of "every creeping thing of the earth" in that text? If you exclude insect types on the ark, you still have not solved the problem of how to feed the echidnas or other insectivorous species.
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nwr Member Posts: 6409 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
The diversity of which I speak is GENETIC diversity WITHIN the genome of each creature.
What is normally meant by "genetic diversity" is the range of genes present in the population as a whole. The expression "genetic diversity" doesn't mean anything if applied to "each creature", at least with the normal meaning of the terminology. If you are going to use non-standard meanings, then you need to define your terminology.
THAT is what reduces with reproductive isolation.
What reduces with reproductive isolation, is the genetic diversity of the population as a whole.
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nwr Member Posts: 6409 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
I get this picture of cartoon dinosaur eggs with arms and legs walking up the gangplank of the ark hand in hand.
Yes, it is a cartoon. And as YECs attempt to explain away the problems, it becomes ever more cartoonish. Oh, what a wicked web we weave,When first we practice to deceive. [it may be self deception, but the rhyme still seems appropriate]
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nwr Member Posts: 6409 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
That would require an extraordinarily high rate of macro-evolution.
Not at all, I'm talking variety of whatever kind was on the ark; same kind, new variety/species. The time taken for such evolution is highly exaggerated by the ToE. All it takes is reproductive isolation of a small portion of a population over a few generations.
If you think it that easy, then you have no argument against evolution, including the evolution of humans from earlier creatures.
Think of the so-called "ring species" which are called species, varieties or species of the same kind as a YEC thinks of them, with their own distinctive characteristics yet all evolved from an original parent type.
The differences across ring species are quite small. The differences between kangaroos, echidnas, koalas are huge.
I have no idea how the insects were taken care of. I'm not addressing this problem here. How anybody could be expected to know is beyond me anyway.
Yet you do claim to know that the flood story is true history, in spite of the fact that anybody who uses a little common sense can see that it is only an ancient fable.
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