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Message 5 of 300 (226852)
07-27-2005 5:25 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by CanadianSteve
07-27-2005 5:17 PM


Notice
You make quite a few assertion as though they were fact.
The UN did not create Israel. Israel came about through a series of conflicts between peoples, just as most nations come about. Israel declared itself a state, it was recognized by others but it was an act performed by Israel, not the UN.
You also make broad assertions about the war verses, what they mean and who supports given interpretation.
If you do not want this thread shut down, you will have to begin supporting such assertions. In addition, simply citing others who hold similar opinions will not be accepted as adequate support.

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Message 8 of 300 (226856)
07-27-2005 5:39 PM
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07-27-2005 5:36 PM


Re: Notice
Yup. Oft quoted. Compare the boundaries to what exists and you'll find that like so many UN resolutions, there is little connection to reality.
The world is as it is, not as you would wish it to be.
Israel exists because they declared themselves a State and other nations recognized that claim. The UN resolution is but a footnote to history.

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Message 50 of 300 (227029)
07-28-2005 10:11 AM
Reply to: Message 42 by CanadianSteve
07-28-2005 9:56 AM


Sorry but this is not going to be accepted.
As I've pointed out too, if Jesus, like mohammed, has led countless battles, had many wives, married a child with whom he had a baby when she was 9 years old, and owned slaves (some made into concubines), then Christianity would be a very different faith and theological differneces would be moe pronounced and have greater implications.,.
That is a nonsensical statement and has nothing to do with the issue. Child brides were common right up until the 20th. century and so was polygamy. Jesus is seen by Christians as a divine individual however the Messiah was most definitely to be a war lord. Slavery also played a big part in Christianity and was supported theologically until the 19th. by Christians as well as Muslems.
Do not try to bring such nonsense into the discussion again.

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Message 74 of 300 (227164)
07-28-2005 5:24 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by CanadianSteve
07-28-2005 2:16 PM


Re: Context of "War" Verses.
Actually, I think you're just trying to stir up an argument. You've cut and pasted excerpts from your favorite sorurces but you also say,
Finally, before my quotes below, you simply must bear in mind that I am saying that either interpretion can be valid. Therefore I amnot actually disagreeing with you, only pointing out that your view is not necessarily correct, while, ironically, not necessarily being wrong either. Both are justifiable.
Let that be the end of it.

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Message 277 of 300 (228884)
08-02-2005 3:06 PM
Reply to: Message 276 by ringo
08-02-2005 2:45 PM


Re: By their fruits ye shall know them
Did your post help advance the discussion?

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Message 300 of 300 (233766)
08-16-2005 4:16 PM


Witching Hour
Allah be praised. Closing this sucker down.

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