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quicksink
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Message 1 of 22 (6730)
03-13-2002 4:12 AM


I have been wondering for a very long time how creationists could squeeze 4.5 billion years of geological history into a time period billions of times smaller than the former . So i went searching for an explanation on the good ol' internet, and I found one. convincing indeed.

Rain - 40 days
(8) Big animals run to mountain tops. Not a single dumb human caught
in all the early flood sediments. All dinosaurs washed off only in
middle flood-time.
(9) Coral reefs (Guadalupe Mountains of Texas) grow to thicknesses of
half a mile during single year.
(10) Vast coal beds accumulate one on top of another, each as original
swamp deposits on order of 100 feet thick, all in one year.
(11) Mile-thick salt formations in Utah form by evaporation (!) of
seawater during (!) the flood.

Flood - about 250 days.
(12) Most of the world's sedimentary rocks dumped on continents to
average thickness of one mile, almost entirely during the flood year.
(13) Most continental drif occurs. Flood waters drain into the newly
formed ocean basins. Atlantic opens at average rate of 1/2 mile per
hour.
(14) Most deep sea sediments (average about 1,500 feet thick) collect
on the newly opened ocean floors.
(15) Hawaiian volcano built 30,000 feet high on new sea floor. (Cools
enough for birds and plants from Ark to colonize soon after end of
flood year.

Final Retreat - ? 100 days ?
(16)Volcano of Mount Ararat built 7,000 feet high underwater and cools
in time for grounding of the Ark.
(17) Successive Yellowstone ash beds bury 10 to 27 forests one on top
of another, all grown during single year.
(18) Grand Canyon cut by receding flood waters. Flood sediments
de-water and harden in one year to rock strong enough to stand as
steep, mile-hile cliffs.

Post-Flood Geology - 4,500 years of normal (?) science to
Present
(19)From Ark, Noah (?) directs streams of distinctive animal and plant
communities to migrate to Africa, Australia, South America, etc.
(Ferry service ?) (Some creationists use post-flood continental
drift at rates up to one mile per hour !)
(20)Sun stands still for Israelite battle. Earth stops rotating and
then starts again due to near-miss by Venus out of its orbit ?
(Velikovsky)
(21)Only one ice age as post-flood atmosphere cools.
Geologists' abundant evidence of many great ice advances
separated by sub-tropical vegetation and development of thick soil zones
between some advances are wrong.
(22)Late-flood granite masses, formed at 1,000 degrees (F.), cool to
present low temperatures at rates in violation of all laws of thermal
physics. Fit to radiometric daes is mere coincidence.
(23)Extreme rates of continental drift typical of flood (1/2 mile per
hour) suddenly slow to present-day laser-measured rates of inches per
year. Accord of present rates with radiometric dates is mere chance.
(24)Coral reefs (Bikini, Eniwetok) grow 1/2 to 1 mile thick in first
1,000 years (rate of one foot per month) then slow to present measured
rates of inches per century.

all this came from
http://www.csun.edu/~vcgeo005/wise.htm

perhaps a creationist could address each issue individually, and back up their responses.


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Cobra_snake
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Message 2 of 22 (6778)
03-13-2002 11:20 PM


Hmmm.... once again I find your title rather interesting.

Compressed time (just add stupidity)

I think a more appropriate title would of been:

Convincing Evidence Against YEC (just add insults and vague generalizations)

Also, one more thing. My knowledge on geology is.... minimal. TrueCreation will be more prepared to answer questions you have. I just thought I should point out that TC would probably appreciate it if you could combine your geological questions into a few of the topics, rather than creating a new topic for every new question. I'm sure he would also appreciate it if you would stop insulting the YEC position and stop stereotyping him (and others).

P.S. I realize that you are young (not that young though- I'm only 3 years older than you). However, I would appreciate it if you could work on reducing the amount of ad hominem and generalization when you post.


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quicksink
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Message 3 of 22 (6787)
03-14-2002 3:57 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by Cobra_snake
03-13-2002 11:20 PM


ok- sorry about the title.

But allow me to say this- prove to me that I am not making generalizations. Point out flaws in the numbers. But if you aren't in the position to argue against my points, like you readily admitted, don't pass "generalizations" and assumptions regarding the above statistics.

If you can't argue a point, then don't argue it. I learned that.


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Peter
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Message 4 of 22 (6811)
03-14-2002 10:33 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by Cobra_snake
03-13-2002 11:20 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Cobra_snake:
Hmmm.... once again I find your title rather interesting.

Compressed time (just add stupidity)

I think a more appropriate title would of been:

Convincing Evidence Against YEC (just add insults and vague generalizations)

Also, one more thing. My knowledge on geology is.... minimal. TrueCreation will be more prepared to answer questions you have. I just thought I should point out that TC would probably appreciate it if you could combine your geological questions into a few of the topics, rather than creating a new topic for every new question. I'm sure he would also appreciate it if you would stop insulting the YEC position and stop stereotyping him (and others).

P.S. I realize that you are young (not that young though- I'm only 3 years older than you). However, I would appreciate it if you could work on reducing the amount of ad hominem and generalization when you post.


Here's a comment in return ::

Some of the YEC's on this forum prefer to complain about the
questions raised rather than respond to the claims made against
YE-Creationism.

This is off-topic ... please don't respond to it ... respond instead
to the points that quicksink has raised in the initial post.


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evolutionfacts
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Message 5 of 22 (645653)
12-28-2011 6:45 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by quicksink
03-13-2002 4:12 AM


Yes. There's a reason the YEC crowd is a bit devoid of geologists. The small list of scientists who argue against an old earth tend to have degrees in unrelated fields like computer science.

Edited by evolutionfacts, : No reason given.


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Message 6 of 22 (645659)
12-28-2011 8:47 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by Cobra_snake
03-13-2002 11:20 PM


Also, one more thing. My knowledge on geology is.... minimal. TrueCreation will be more prepared to answer questions you have.

I have not seen TC post here in years.

I just thought I should point out that TC would probably appreciate it if you could combine your geological questions into a few of the topics, rather than creating a new topic for every new question. I'm sure he would also appreciate it if you would stop insulting the YEC position and stop stereotyping him (and others).

Well...

They make it so...

easy...

Hard to...

... resist...


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Message 7 of 22 (645661)
12-28-2011 9:00 PM
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12-28-2011 8:47 PM



I have not seen TC post here in years.

Of course not: the post you replied to is 11 years old.....


“Mythology is what we call someone else’s religion.” Joseph Campbell

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edge
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Message 8 of 22 (645663)
12-28-2011 9:08 PM
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12-28-2011 9:00 PM


Of course not: the post you replied to is 11 years old.....

Heh...

I hate zombie threads...

But you have to admit, it's more like 10 years.

Edited by edge, : No reason given.


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Message 9 of 22 (645664)
12-28-2011 9:11 PM
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12-28-2011 9:08 PM


But you have to admit, it's more like 10 years.

Quite. I've no idea why I typed 11. The number 9 is the one I had in mind at the time I posted, but apparently the number 11 was the one that wanted to escape my fingers.


“Mythology is what we call someone else’s religion.” Joseph Campbell

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Message 10 of 22 (645668)
12-28-2011 10:12 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by edge
12-28-2011 9:08 PM



Heh...

I hate zombie threads...

But you have to admit, it's more like 10 years.

In fact it's more like five minutes, but it was made to look like 10 years by the action of magic water.


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Message 11 of 22 (645763)
12-29-2011 7:23 PM
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12-28-2011 10:12 PM


In fact it's more like five minutes, but it was made to look like 10 years by the action of magic water.

There is no magic watter involved the dating method is wrong it does not account for fluctuacions in the time space contiium, nor dose it take in to account the effect of the same time vortex that made all dating tehniques show silly old earth dates in the billions of years.

This topic is mere days old it says so in my bible of the flying spagetie monster and i demand that this be tahught in school evolution classes. Its only fair!!!

Edited by frako, : No reason given.


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

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Message 12 of 22 (646073)
01-02-2012 7:42 PM


Whoa!

I was wondering what EvC did to TC to get him to convert back to creationism.


    
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Message 13 of 22 (659483)
04-16-2012 8:39 AM


Not all creationists believe in the literal Bible. Not all creationists have to even be Christian. Don't use strawman arguements.

Science tells us that floods have happened, and water washes away evidence. That's why most creationists get fooled into believing the earth is younger than it is. The fact that some scientists get fooled by this lack of evidence is proof the flood happened and washed away some evidense.

I agree that evolution happens on some scale, but if not for the ark only fish would be left. And maybe birds that can eat fish.

Since we know the flood happened, and we know we have life on earth beyond just fish and things that survive in an ecosystem with only fish, the ark probably existed and helped. These are the logical facts that support the theory of creationism. Evolution theory is basically creationism with some of the facts, but not all of them.

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Message 14 of 22 (659488)
04-16-2012 9:08 AM
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04-16-2012 8:39 AM


OI writes:

Evolution theory is...


Stop right there.
Go look up the Theory of Evolution.
Better still, here's a link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution
And while you are at it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_as_fact_and_theory

Learning is not a sin.


Tradition and heritage are all dead people's baggage. Stop carrying it!

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Message 15 of 22 (659513)
04-16-2012 12:26 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by OpticalIllusions
04-16-2012 8:39 AM


but if not for the ark only fish would be left

Nope the fish would die in a flood too try throwing a fresh water fish in to the ocean or a salt-water fish in to a river.


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

Click if you dare!


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