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Author Topic:   Why Would God Care?
Hyroglyphx
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Message 147 of 217 (395679)
04-17-2007 11:44 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dan Carroll
03-13-2007 9:03 PM


The question I have, given this scenario, is why God would care that little Jimmy Highschoolboy touches himself at night.
It's a big universe, and Jimmy is one boy, on a tiny planet, on the far end of a single galaxy. Meanwhile, God still hasn't managed to get around to licking that whole entropy thing. In the course of running all of Creation, how can it be that God's priorities include getting all pissed off that Jimmy thought a little too long about his lab partner Suzie while he was in the shower?
This seems an odd topic, but I'll give my two cents worth.
As far as entropy is concerned, wouldn't it be logical to assume that God has created entropy so that we know all things are ultimately ephemeral? Entropy wouldn't be something that presents a problem for God in my mind, but rather a deliberate natural law instituted by Him.
As far as God and Jimmy is concerned, I see God as concerned with what is going on in Jimmy's heart, rather than what he is actually doing? From what I gather from scripture, God is far more concerned with the motives of the heart rather than the mechanism of the action.
But most of all, do we know whether or not God would care more or less about the affairs of the universe or Jimmy? Isn't that a human construct afterall?

"Somewhere at the back of my father's mind, at the bottom of his heart, in the depth of his soul, there was an empty space that had once been filled by God and he never found anything else to put in it... At the centre of me is always an eternally terrible pain - a curious wild pain - a searching for something beyond what the world contains." -Bertrand Russell

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 149 of 217 (395686)
04-17-2007 12:06 PM
Reply to: Message 148 by Dan Carroll
04-17-2007 11:51 AM


Knowing God
A month down the road, and I still don't see why the believers all had such trouble with this topic.
It might be because you speak a measure of assurance that God would in fact care more about Jimmy's masturbatory habits than the affairs of the universe. I guess maybe some of us are wondering what your reasoning is for it.
Doesn't really answer the question at all. Heart, hands, why would he care either way?
That's as ambiguous as asking why He wouldn't care... Wouldn't God be concerned about all things if He is the platform by which al things emerge? Why must one thing take precendence over another?
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But most of all, do we know whether or not God would care more or less about the affairs of the universe or Jimmy? Isn't that a human construct afterall?
Aren't we made in God's image?
I believe so, but what do you think being in the image of God means?
Of course, I guess it's possible that there's a God out there that has a thought process that humans just can't possibly understand.
At least not in its totality. If we did that would place on the same level as God.
In which case, his desires are inscrutable, and are therefore irrelevant; there's no way to tell what he wants.
Perhaps that's why Jesus instructed not to go beyond what was written because everything else is conjecture. Do believe that God would make Himself completely unknowable and yet knowable at the same time?
Or, for that matter, why he would care, or even if he does.
I guess we can look at it from the perspective of the artist. Why does the artist care about his/her artwork? Why even create it at all?
I mean, there is no doubt that much of God is incalculable and cryptic. But I don't think that means that we can't know anything at all about Him. I believe we know only what He reveals.

"Somewhere at the back of my father's mind, at the bottom of his heart, in the depth of his soul, there was an empty space that had once been filled by God and he never found anything else to put in it... At the centre of me is always an eternally terrible pain - a curious wild pain - a searching for something beyond what the world contains." -Bertrand Russell

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 179 of 217 (395933)
04-18-2007 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 150 by Dan Carroll
04-17-2007 12:25 PM


Re: Knowing God
I question why God would care at all about such things, when he has the whole universe to attend to.
I see the argument limiting God with humanistic inequalities. I don't see why God would have to tend to the universe where He has to juggle things.
There's nothing ambiguous about asking why he would care.
It is ambiguous because it has no satisfying answer for someone in your current philosophical position. "Why wouldn't He care?," then becomes just as applicable.
if we can understand what he wants, then we can ask why he wants it
That's why we are called to juxtapose scripture with everyday life.
We can also look back in the thread, to where this already came up. When I draw a picture, I don't really care about the ink's motivation for soaking into the paper; only that it does so.
The ink is only the mechanism that animates what is in the mind of the artificer, which makes the mention of the ink or pen almost ineffectual. The point is the skill and what lies in the mind of the artist. The pen and ink could do nothing without us.
But we can certainly wonder at the rest. Such as, say, off the top of my head, "Why would he care?"
Why would you care about your children? Wouldn't we be more likely to care about our children than not care about them? If God has invested the time to lay the groundwork for our lives, to bring His thoughts to life, isn't that sufficient reason to assume that God would care? I think the problem is that you don't know God so this is all unimaginable for you. Exactly what kind of answer are you looking for? I mean, not one of us can prove God to you or anyone else. That's the dichotomy for the believer. They know God exists, and yet, are incapable of proving that to anyone else. That's the dichotomy the believer faces. The most anyone can do is to live in rightstanding with God and be used as His vessel so people can see God in the believer.
How can I prove that God cares to you when you reject and forsake all the answers given by someone like Jesus? Look at Jesus, which is humanity at its greatest, when its reached the point of divinity, and then ask whether or not God cares. The entire gospel narrative is focused on God's love for us, a love so powerful that God would sacrifice Himself in our stead.
The problem is that you don't believe in the gospel narrative. Even if you don't believe that Jesus and God are one, doesn't the fact of his deep desire to heal us through his own massacre stir something in your heart? At the worst the unbeliever calls Jesus a deluded idiot who killed himself because he was naive to think he could change the world. But at best even the unbeliever can respect that kind of hope he instilled-- a devotion so deep that He would spend Himself for a people's that both love and despise Him.

"Somewhere at the back of my father's mind, at the bottom of his heart, in the depth of his soul, there was an empty space that had once been filled by God and he never found anything else to put in it... At the centre of me is always an eternally terrible pain - a curious wild pain - a searching for something beyond what the world contains." -Bertrand Russell

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