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Message 207 of 217 (447021)
01-07-2008 7:30 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dan Carroll
03-13-2007 9:03 PM


Absolutly no idea
who God is, and frankly I wouldn't want to be you when you find out.
Let's assume that assumptions aren't the mother of all mistakes.
I'll give you the short version. God created man for one reason, to have a personal intimate relationship with him. It was His desire to walk with us, talk with us, love us, and in returned be loved by us. We, man, chose Jimmy Highschoolboy's pornia concerning Suzie rather than a relationship with God. We, man, told God to get lost, much like you are doing. Here in is where your 'assumed' problem with entropy comes into play. It is Gods providential grace that holds the whole universe together. The Bibles says that God upholds and sustains the universe, that without Him it would cease to exist. When we told God to get lost, that we wanted to live our own lives without Him, He removed just a tiny portion of that providential grace. Some entropy was present from the begining, being necessary for locomotion and digestion, but the world and the universe has been under a greater portion of entropy since our rebelion against God.
Now, why does He care. I don't know if you had a father, and I don't know if your father was good, but God is a good Father. The best in fact, and He has provided man with everything man needs. Air to breath, food to eat, light to iluminate the day, and darkness to usher in the night. He has provided everything we need down to the molecular level. And how do we thank Him? In the words of little Jimmy we tell Him to suck it. Now if you where God would you care? Would your wrath be kindled just a little bit to brats like us? You cannot tell me that if you provided everything someone else needed for them to survive for the rest of their life, if they then turned around and spit in your face, that you would not care. I belong to the LORD God almighty, whether I believe it or not, I live because He allows me to live, I will die when He is ready for me to die. I will not live a single second past the time He has apointed for me nor shall I leave a second sooner that He has ordained. I have no doubt that if He so chose He sould wipeout the entire universe and any evidence of it's existance, and He can make another one that looks just like it.
P.S. That's pure gut right there.

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Message 209 of 217 (447077)
01-07-2008 11:55 PM
Reply to: Message 208 by sidelined
01-07-2008 8:30 PM


Re: Absolutly no idea
No. The evidence both physical and spiritual is enough for me. The threat is real but it is not from me and I do not have the power to carry out that threat. I do this for one reason and one reason alone. Because the threat is real, and when my time on earth is done, I want to know that I did everything I could. That I gave it all that I had to give, and left the rest up to God. I have been given a commision by God to lead as many to salvation as I can. It has nothing to do with money, fame, fortune, or even a decent life, the glory is His and His alone. You can think whatever you want about me and about God, but ultimately you are the one who has to decide what you do with the information you have been given. My prayer though is that you come to understand just how much He realy loves you, and that He does not want to see you choose destruction over a personal relationship with Him.

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Message 212 of 217 (447095)
01-08-2008 1:53 AM
Reply to: Message 210 by sidelined
01-08-2008 12:48 AM


Not true
sidlined writes:
You have to wonder how it is that God never seems to be able to do these things for himself eh?
Not true. I mearly speak the words, it is the Spirit of God which convicts the hearts of man. It is the Bible which says that if you hear His voice do not harden your heart. There are only two options when one is presented with the Word of God, either you accept and submit or you reject it and maintain control of the destiny you have chosen. If I had not told you that the ship was sinking then I would be responsible for your death, it is the same as if I had killed you myself. But if I tell you the ship is sinking and you do not heed you are reponsible for your own fate. I cannot choose for you, you live or die acourding to your own choice. You assume that the conciousness of man is flawless and without fault when you yourself are proof that it is not. Man is flawed, he will lie, cheat, and steel just to get a leg up on those around him, to gain power, fame, and fortune. The heart of man is wicked and seeks after wicked things, but man does not want to hear this message. He wants to have his ego stroked, he doesn't want anyone to tell him that he isn't perfect just the way he is. He doesn't want to know that there is a Being far supperior to him that will one day reqiure him to be acountable for his actions. He doesn't want someone to tell him that if he invests in imorality his return will be imorality multiplied. If he invests in hate his return will be hate in great measures. This is the premise behind "You reep what you sow." Man does not want to hear this. He wants to have his ears tickled, so he gathers around him those who will tell him what he wants to hear, and in so doing becomes deaf to the truth. Hearing they do not hear. Hell is real and the world is headed there in a hand basket. The planet earth is sinking into hell. For the love of God get out now while you still can.
The future is that point in time where you wish you had done what you are not doing now.

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Message 213 of 217 (447100)
01-08-2008 2:08 AM
Reply to: Message 211 by NosyNed
01-08-2008 1:47 AM


Re: nice guy all around
Who told you that I was not afraid of Him?
nosyned writes:
The only reason I can think of for you not being utterly terrified is that you don't really grasp the consequences of what you say about this chap.
On the contrary, I fear Him because I know Him and grasp the reality of the consequences of what I say concerning Him. For it is written in His holy book that false teachers will undergo greater comdemnation. If what I tell you is not true then I will stand condemned before God, but if what I say concerning Him is true, then it is you who has cause for fear and trembling. I have said this before and will say it again; God loves man, or He would have completely destroyed him long ago. However in as much as He loves man He hates sin. Furthermore it only takes one sin to seperate man from God. He Himself has provided a way by which man can be reconciled to Him, but if man rejects that providential grace, he condemns himself.

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Message 217 of 217 (448284)
01-12-2008 8:51 PM
Reply to: Message 214 by NosyNed
01-08-2008 2:46 AM


Re: nice guy all around
nosyned writes:
You simple don't know and are placing a bet without knowing the odds.
Not true again. Of the three monotheistic religions in the world, Christianity, Judeism, and Islam, these are the only ones that mention eternal damnation. Islam I have no doubts is man made, I have said this before; I need only look at how they decribe heaven. Anything that has to deal with an endless supply of vergins has to be man made. Judeism is the base foundation of Christianity, and speaks of a messiah that would come to redeem the world, and eventualy establish His reign on the earth. The Jewish people say that He has not yet come, the Christians say that the messiah is Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ Himself said that no man enters the kingdom of God except through Him. I have wieghed the odds quite well I chose to bet my eternal soul on the only being capable of redeeming it.
nosyned writes:
Of course, you should fear Him. If you believe half of what is said about him in the Bible you should be terrified. You are almost certainly getting it wrong and boy, this chappy is the most power mad, unforgiving deity that we seem to have come up with. Not someone that you want to mess with.
You serve only to prove how little you understand the God of the Bible. Noone who takes it upon themselves to bear the punishment for the sins of another can be called unforgiving. God; the God of the Bible; became flesh to live the life we cannot live, pure, holy, and just in the eyes of God, for the purpose of paying the price for the sins of any and all who would accept Him as their LORD and Savior. There is no greater act of grace, mercy, and forgiveness recorded. "Greater love hath no man, than that He lay down His life for the life of His friends." I do not need a human to tell me the heart and mind of God, I have a personal relationship with Him that allows us to talk to each other directly. He is all powerful and therefore has no need to seek after more power, you cannot achieve a greater quantity of power than infinite power. It is true that He cannot be bribed or bought, which makes Him all the more just and impartial; and all the more worthy of praise and honor. Furthermore there is noone more Humane. He chose to become like a man and to take the punishment for our sins upon Himself, that noone would have to suffer the painful tourment of a hell that was not designed for, nor ment to house, humans but which humans repeatedly choose over Him. He sacrificed One life, the life of His own flesh and blood, that all of humanity might be spared if they would only accept Him. It is you who does not know what God loves or does not love, and it is humans that you listen to and not God, or you too would seek His forgiveness.

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