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Author Topic:   Why Would God Care?
mike the wiz
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Message 171 of 217 (395889)
04-18-2007 10:25 AM
Reply to: Message 169 by Phat
04-18-2007 9:19 AM


Re: Knowing God
Hey Phat, I would say that God does care about our pains etc, but to a big degree, intervention is a major will-issue. I think personally, that there can be intervention of God depending on a few things, such as it being in line with the trajectory of the individual's destiny.
From God's angle, he made a system which would allow for bad things to happen. Logically, it would be somewhat silly for God to then cry about the effects of having that system.
If I made a swimming baths, I know that the consequences could be that someone might potentially drown.
Indeed, I don't think God struggles to come to terms with the system he has created, but we certainly do, for we are within it. Therefore the parasite is an oddity to God, as much as Dan's hearty dump. But the ingredients allow some evils it seems, when God bakes his cake. Is then, God evil? I think not, but I do think that God cannot withold evil completely, otherwise it is greater than good/God. Thus Christ. For he has already seen that evil would come.
As Christ-believers, Christ was also subject to the system, and suffered at the hands of it. Full well knowing that by conquering the system once, it is logically conquered completely. For us; this is the power of God's intelligence, that he deals with the harvest and indeed, everything, in it's time. The NT says God is patient.

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mike the wiz
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Message 189 of 217 (396009)
04-18-2007 5:28 PM
Reply to: Message 185 by Dan Carroll
04-18-2007 2:40 PM


My take on it
God is absolutely described as caring, whether in my OP, or in the Bible, or wherever. I'm not stamping my foot and insisting that this can't possibly be the case. I'm asking why it would be the case, since there doesn't seem to be any sensible reason.
It depends, I can only answer according to the God I believe in. So I will;
Because we are a spirit like God. No other natural thing of the universe is proposed to be a spirit, to my knowledge. We are persons, God is a person. We are beings, God is a being first and foremost. We were made in his image to worship Him, to know of him, to try and find holiness
God, essentially, is our "father" in a sense. But this is New Testament, and your thread, so how far can I go with biblical answers to the question?
The NT says the stars are to glorify God in their differences. It just seems evident that a God who created us to be his children would care.
that's the only way I can answer without coming up with my own solutions. Yes, I'm not a big believer in the literal bible, inerrant word of God, anymore, but I still believe the gist of it.
---As a Christ-believer, that's my answer. Do I think you'd believe it? No.
The only way you find answers from is from the bible, and it's message to us. We know you can refute fundies, so if you're only asking for some mental masturbation, fine. Obviously that's a problem with someone like you, as you don't believe in God. Perhaps you should find answers in the bible and follow it in the following way of thought;
If this is the set of texts that answers the questions, let's see what it's answers are generally, without trying to poke holes in it, but to just see if it would answer the questions, hypothetically.
Pretending it's true, so to speak.
I look at it as a bunch of faulty texts, trying to push a message through. If books agree with other books generally, I'll follow that gist. If the author preaches something clearly unique and silly, I'll cull it and stick to the goal. Because if you start with the premise that it's a faulty book of texts all trying to convey something to us, then I find there are answers - it's whether you believe there's a possibility of the message having any truth.
It's AT LEAST logical that God could communicate through a book - to millions upon millions of people, those answers.
Okay - this isn't a thought-out post, so it's not worth poking holes in it, as I'm sure there'll be many - it's just my quick thoughts on the matter. Take it or leave it.
Edited by mike the wiz, : No reason given.
Edited by AdminPhat, : spelling

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