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nator Member (Idle past 2191 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
This publication regrets that it misquoted Mr. Dawkins when it reported that he wished everyone a "Merry Christmas."
In fact, he wished everyone a "Happy Christmas", being British and all.
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nator Member (Idle past 2191 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Who are the "left-wingers", exactly?
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nator Member (Idle past 2191 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: You know what that makes you? It makes you a childish dick who never outgrew pubescent playground antics. I'm interested in having grown-up, serious political discussions. If all you can bring to the table is trolling, then please bugger off. Don't waste my time.
quote: The thing is, CS, the stuff you post, (just for fun we are to understand) that you think is "total bullshit, semi-troll" stuff? There are dozens, if not hundreds, of right wingers posting that bullshit (and much more extreme bullshit) all over the net and they all believe what they are writing is 100% correct and true. Many of these are major blogger or religious sites with tens of thousands of hits each day. What I've come to understand is that it is basically impossible to satirize the right wingers anymore, because every time somebody tries to write some silly, extreme, obviously over-the-top satire of the right wing nutjobs, it is discovered afterwords that there are already several right wing nutjobs out there who seriously, sincerely espouse those silly, extreme, over-the-top views. And not only that; lots and lots of people support these nutjobs and voice their support on these sites. Anybody who has been regularly following Tom Tommorow's comic This Modern World for the last few years knows exactly what I'm talking about. So, CS, if you want to discuss politics with those of us at the grown up table, you will have to get some manners. Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.
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nator Member (Idle past 2191 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Although I understand and mostly share your sentiments, I also understand how, as a non-Christian, it feels to live in a culture that is simply awash in Christianity.
There is almost no place to escape it. Every town of every size has at least one church, and many towns and cities have dozens and dozens. Only Christian religious holidays are deemed important enough to close our secular schools and governement offices. Our governement has become increasingly controlled by conservative Christian special interest groups. We have references to God on our money, in the pledge to our flag, and in several patriotic songs. The laws of the land often reflect oppressive Christian moral strictures that have no place in a secular code of law in a secular government. The first president Bush expressed the hatred and bigotry of many people in the US when he said during an interview, in response to the question:
Sherman: Surely you recognize the equal citizenship and patriotism of Americans who are atheists? Bush: No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God. I could go on, but I think my point is made. You, being a Christian, probably don't even notice. But I do.
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nator Member (Idle past 2191 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Well, you can certainly choose to behave like a troll and a bully, CS, but remember that I am also an Admin.
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nator Member (Idle past 2191 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
The point is, anastasia, that maybe you might give a break to us non-Christians who have to put up with nearly inescapable Christianity here in the US, including in our government, where it does not belong.
It can get to feeling rather oppressive sometimes, especially around the holidays.
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nator Member (Idle past 2191 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Are you talking about the Puritans, or the Founding Fathers here?
quote: The point is, Juggs, that Bush Sr., a US president, stated that American Athiests shouldn't be considered citizens. While I agree with you that it is absurd, Bush clearly didn't think there was anything absurd in the least about such an idea. I've listened to the people who called in to C-SPAN when the man who wanted to get "under god" removed from the pledge was a guest. Many of them vehemently told him to get out of America, and consistently proclimed that Athiests shouldn't have any rights, and even that Athiests should be imprisoned. As it is, I am very careful to whom I reveal that I don't believe in any supernatural god/s. Most of my family doesn't even know. Nobody's had their US citizenship revoked because they are black, but that doesn't mean there isn't systematic racism and persecution and oppression. Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given. Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.
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nator Member (Idle past 2191 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Um, I hadn't heard that the Puritans were the ancestors of many, if any, of the Founding Fathers. Do you have any documentation for this claim?
quote: The President of the United States statesd that a group of Americans should NOT be considered citizens nor patriots because they don't believe in the supernatural. You don't think that this is relevant to the state of affairs in the country? Pardon?
quote: Wait. You've heard Athiests sincerely saying that Christians shouldn't have any Constitutional rights, and that Christians should get out of America simply because of their religious beliefs? You've heard this where? I can link you to transcripts of my claims.
As it is, I am very careful to whom I reveal that I don't believe in any supernatural god/s. Most of my family doesn't even know. quote: Mostly because I don't want the ill treatment and disrespect and patronizing that I know would result. ...that had already resulted when I made the mistake of telling my sister. People get very funny when you tell them you have rejected the beliefs that they raised you to believe. They seem to become personally threatened.
quote: The culture in general is still racist. And I don't know if you spend any time in the south, but "nigger jokes" are still pretty popular. And the KKK has been supplanted by ultra-right wing movements like the Neo-Nazis, Skinheads, and many "legitimate" political parties in Europe, particularly in France and Germany.
quote: Oh yeah?
The FBI disagrees with you.
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nator Member (Idle past 2191 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: But...MLK was adhering to the Constitution. I think that RAZD's point was that when President George H.W. Bush declared that he didn't think that Athiests should be considered citizens nor patriots, he was putting his religious views ahead of the United States Constitution and Bill of Rights. For a President to do this, when he had sworn to uphold the Constitution, is shocking. ...or should be.
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nator Member (Idle past 2191 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Not regarding our Rights. The Bill of Rights exists specifically to protect the minority from the "tyrrany of the majority".
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