War on Christmas

Well, even if I am inaccurate in what happened at Wal*Mart, maybe we can illustrate how nutty of a job these left-wingers can be (I’ll most likely be told what I believe and how I’m evil and want all this bad stuff to happen to a bunch of people, which I don’t) But that’s just how the nutjobs seem to operate. I have no idea where it came from and it was obviously a (bad?) joke. Ok, and I have no sources either. But what I heard was that Wal*Mart employees were forbidden to say Merry Christmas and that they must use Happy Holidays, or something similar that is non-specific to any religion. This was a response to a complaint from a non-christian being wished Merry Christmas and being “offended” by it. Maybe it never happened, I don’t know, but if that is what happened then I stand by my claim that it is fucking retarded. What this “War on Christmas” email exemplifies is the crapola that us rightwing nutjobs think is retarded. The be-careful-not-to-offend-anyone mentality gets so insane that Merry Christmas is offensive and banned. Merry Christmas is not offensive and it is not ”good manners’ to say Happy Holidays. If you’re offended by Merry Christmas then you’re either trying to be offended, lying about the offense, of too sensitive to deserve any respect. Wishing someone a Merry Christmas is not assuming they are the same religion as you. How many non-christians celebrate christmas every year? Lets just say ”lots’. You don’t have to be christian to celebrate christmas so there is no assumtion necessary in the greeting.Here’s my reply from that thread . My Reply was:

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Actually, really good manners is to try and not to force you views on strangers.

You mean like forcing the view that greeters shouldn't say Merry Christmas, if you are saying that is bad manners then I agree.
Wishing someone a Merry Christmas isn't forcing your views on them. Conversly, demanding that people don't use the phrase 'Merry Christmas' IS forcing your views on people.

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How is wishing someone a Merry Christmas forcing your view, or anything at all, on them. The only force that I heard about was that people were forced to NOT say Merry Christmas. That is forcing your view on someone, forbidding them to do something. Responding to a “perceived” force with “actual” force. Is it denial or is it really nuttery? This is a great example of the left-wing nutjobs that I am talking about. Claiming that I don’t care about people who aren’t christian and telling me what my view is. Its really annoying and only makes me dislike liberals even more. If the left and the right want to get along then this is one of the things that the left needs to cut out. I’ll reply one at a time: Why do you see it that way? I don’t see how this is forcing religious views. If a Mexican says “Hola” to me am I suppose to get offended because he is forcing his language on me? If Wal*Mart forced their employees to say “Merry Christmas” then that would be fucking retarded too. Seriously? That’s pretty impractical and unnecessary. Its impractical because it’s a greeting . they aren’t there to have a conversation with you to determine your religious beliefs. Are you suggesting they use a pre-greeting greeting? Whats wrong with just using whatever greeting they’re conformable with. I wouldn’t be offended walking into a Wal*Mart and getting wished a Happy Hanukah . Its unneccesary because people shouldn’t be offended by it in the first place. What if you want to? You really think that is bad manners? If so, we really have different opinions on manners, and admittedly, mine are a lot looser.But yeah, religion is between you and god (unless you’re evangelical), but that doesn’t mean that we can’t even mention it. Or that we can’t use a greeting with a religious connotation. And Merry Christmas isn’t even necessarily christian so the connotation shouldn’t even be there. And that is what I think is fucking retarded. I have to watch what I say because of a “few crazy people”. Fuck that. And fuck them if they are offended. Part of my point exactly, Merry Christmas is not necessarily a christian greeting. Another part of my point, even if it is christian, it isn’t even offensive. Yeah, I’d be willing to bet that the whole walmart thing didn’t even happen but snopes said it did so it must be true Well, how about now? Wait a minute, you’re gonna lose respect for my other (respectable) posts because of that one (disrespectful) post? Does it really affect my other posts that much? I just like insulting liberals. I think its fun and its easy to get a rise out of them. Some of the stuff I post on the internets is total bullshit. Semi-trolling, engaging people. I hope you can tell when I’m being serious and when I’m not, but probably not always. The insulting stuff only comes out because of the anonymity, or if I’m pissed off because of something in RL. I do find liberals to be really annoying though. I don’t really know anything about the “War on Christmas” stuff. The only thing I really heard was that Wal*Mart employees are not allowed to say Merry Christmas. That kinda pisses me off, if it is true. Other than that I haven’t heard much nor have I really discussed it. This discussion and the one in the humor thread is 99% of what I’ve said about it, ever.

that's hilarious. I believe you, no joke. I could believe that WalMart never even said it. It is on snops though, did you see that? Honestly, I haven't seen much of a War on Christmas. Here, is the most discussion I've had about it.But I wouldn't say it doesn't exists, at all. People are tying to make it more inclusive, less offensive, and less chrisian specific, I dunno if that's a War but something is going on.

I responded to this message with a General Reply and am using this message so you will be notified that I have responded.I quoted a few other people in that General Reply but I'm not going to go through and do this for everyone. Hopefully they see this/it.

Or its in the middle. It is a greeting that was once religious but is on the way to being devoid of religious connotations. But I don’t really want to argue this point, I don’t really care enough. I agree that it is preferable, in general. I’m not arguing that Merry Christmas is a better greeting, my point is there is nothing wrong with it.What I disagree with is saying that someone shouldn’t be allowed to use Merry Christmas. I also disagree that there is anything wrong with using Merry Christmas as opposed to Happy Holidays. And I’m not going to “bend over backwards”, so to speak, to try to avoid offending ultra-sensitive people. When I wish someone, who I know nothing about, a Merry Christmas, I am not assuming they are christian, I am not forcing my religion on them, and I am not being offensive. If you take offense to my greeting, then tough titty.RAZD, I realize that you haven’t argued for any of those . is just some more

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Typical right-wing doesn't-get-it rant

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Heh, that sounds like a typical left-wing doesn’t-get-it rant. Does anybody really “get it”? So, its only because it has to do with religion, interesting . I think the right-wing NJ’s feel like the “War on Christmas” is one more example in a long line, where chritianity gets blamed for a bunch of crap and people try to tie it down. WAAAY off topic, lets not get me started . . I'm my proofread I just realised that I think I misread what you said here, just ignore this part.Yeah, saying Merry Christmas shouldn’t be offensive, the holiday isn’t christian anymore. Just because it the greeting, Merry Christmas, started off as christian, and still has the word christ in it doesn’t mean that it can’t be used without the connotation. When I tell people “Merry Christmas”, I am not telling them “to hold a mass in honor of christian icon”. That’s not how the phrase is used. WRT the christian war on yuletime, we better not go there. It would probably just bring out the troll in me Well, then I don’t know which one I am . maybe in denial. There’s definitely been a christian war on yuletime that has “forced” religious views, but I still don’t accept that wishing someone a Merry Christmas is forcing anything nor offensive. No wonder the RW NJ’s want to “take back” christmas. At least it might become respectable again. I did, thanks.

I did mindlessly repeat it I’m not so sure I’m a “true” believer.WRT propaganda, its difficult to know which side to believe. I have to look for myself. I’ve admitted that in my day-to-day life, I’ve seen little to no evidence of a WAR on christmas. But the left does seem to be invading its territory. If the war hasn’t begun, it at least looks like one is being prepared for. Maybe the christians are jumping the gun, but if it gonna be a fight . .. makes me thing of a line from a song.\\ Could you honestly say that they are not victimized at all? <.<>.>

To me, it looks like a response not an initiation. I believe you.(I worked at walmar when I was 16 for a couple months. Boy was it shitty.) People are gonna bitch about something, no matter what. Its annoying. From my point of view, the left does more bitching, but I could have a biased perspective. Every once in a while, I like to jump in and do a little bitching back. I couldn’t care less. I think you’re wrong here, at least in the way that I use the greeting. I’m aware of the other religions and don’t include the religious connotation in the greeting, and I certainly care about things outside of christianity. In the same way that you are saying that christians are making up persecution, the people who are offended be the greeting are falsy including ignorance and offense into the greeting. I don’t think Merry Christmas is better, I just don’t think its bad. I can agree that Happy Holidays is better but, personally, I’m not used to it. Merry Christmas comes naturally, as that’s what I was raised to say, and I don’t think I should have to change because of a few people’s perceived offense from it. and a lot of people believe in creationism but we can agree that we shouldn’t change a science curriculum to appease them. We shouldn’t change the holiday greeting to appease these people either. If it’s a greeting to a stranger the odds are that the person will be celebrating christmas in some way. The vast majority of people, in america at least, do. Its doesn’t assume that everyone does, but I’m not gonna to NOT use a greeting I prefer because of a small fraction of people that might get offended. Huh? We can probably steer away from the walmart thing. Its not really about them so much now. YaRLY Believe me, I wouldn’t be offended.Sure, Happy Holidays might be better, but if I prefer the worse greeting, I don’t want people saying its wrong that I used it. I don’t think its bad manner because when I wish a stranger a Merry Christmas, it lacks the religious connotation and makes no assumption of their religion. More reason for it NOT to be wrong to say it if the odds are the person you’re saying it too is celebrating the christian holiday. You’re right, christians shouldn’t try to make people say MC instead of HH.Off the top of my head I can’t think of anything specific that offends me but I’m sure there something. Well they’re wrong if they thing that it is a necessity that the greeting is christian. Well, I don’t assume they’re christian. But anyways, I don’t understand why they get offended by it. Especially when I’m not making that assumption and the greeting isn’t necessarily christian. Ok, I’m willing to drop the walmart-specific issues. Decent analogy. The liberals are over-sensitive too, to the point that I got to walk on pins and needles and be more careful than I’m willing to be. Then they get mad when I’m not, and they become the ones who are trying to force other people to do thing. Point taken.

Don’t worry about it . .

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It was fun then and its fun now. Although, admittedly, I much less of a childish dick face to face. And because your on the playground by choice and can leave whenever you want, I don’t feel bad for being the bully. Its all in good fun, IMHO. No harm, no foul. No, I think I’ll stick around, I kinda like it here. I’m interested in at least enjoying my time here. Grown-up serious political discussions don’t interest me much, and they’re boring. I can bring more than just trolling to the table, but I will bring a little, for extra flavor. Nah, you are the only one who can waste your time here. I can’t make you do anything. I don’t understand the question, is the grammar incorrect? link please. Maybe I’ll troll them for a while Actually, I won’t. Unless the “grown-ups” stop replying. And in reality, as a voting citizen I’m at the grown-up table already so yall better get used to us ill-manner children joining you.

Maybe that's because you're not a left-wing nutjob. For the record, I do too.

I think her point was that even though atheist's citezenships aren't being revoked, they are still systematically persecuted and oppressed. Blacks were just used as an example, IIUC.

Its not the basis for the debate but it is the basis for posting a joke in the humor thread. On an anonymous internet forum? Of course you can’t. But we can assume people are being honest and put our trust in that assumption in order to have a progressive discussion. Most of what I post is honest. How could I prove it and remain anonymous? I can admit when I’m wrong. I disagree that there is nothing to take back but I don’t think that December has to have something to do with the christian celebration to begin with in order for there to be something to take back. Why should there NOT be?I wouldn’t be offended by someone wishing me a happy Kwanzaa, nor would I say that their mythos deserves no respect, nor would I say that they shouldn’t be allowed to wish people a Happy Kwanzaa and that they must use Happy Holidays instead.Why should people not be allowed to use their preferred greeting when it does not assume that everyone is that religion, when it should not be taken offensively, and when it is not forcing beliefs on the receiver of the greeting?I can see why people claim that if someone wishes me a Happy Kwanzaa that it assumes that I will actually be celebrating Kwanzaa but with Christmas, there are tons of non-Christian people who celebrate it so there needn’t be a religious assumption in the greeting.A lot of people celebrate Christmas now-a-days, it doesn’t matter that they didn’t do it to begin with. What we have now is a NEW mythos (Happy Holidays) adapted, altered or made up to cover the hi-jacking of Christmas. I would rather that we didn’t remove Christmas from the holiday greetings because that is my preferred holiday, along with the majority in this country, and there is nothing wrong with using it. I think that forcing people to remove it and replace it with Happy Holidays is what is wrong. We should let people use the greeting they prefer and tolerate them, right? In my upbringing we were always told that Dec 25th was when celebrated the birth of Jesus, not that he was actually born on that day.From Message 27. But Dec. does have something to do with Christianity, it has been assigned as the time to celebrate Jesus’ birth. Just because it wasn’t that to begin with doesn’t mean it has nothing to do with it.If people want to remove Christmas for the holiday greeting then they can, but they shouldn’t say that other people should not be allowed use it. Nor should they poison the well by claiming that it assumes everyone is that religion, is offensive, or tries to force beliefs on them.

Last panel is for you, Charlie Brown:

What is it about being on a date with a witch that is required for asking those questions?But it doesn't have to be recorded in this, right?: And instead, couldn't you just use No webpage found at provided URL: this website ?I hope you can laugh at your own engrish...Its "which" not "witch" Oh, and the other one I see from you a lot is using "tough" instead of "though". The first one is pronounced "tuff", an adjective meaning strong, and and the second one is "thowe", the conjunction you want to be using.But I see you have added caps and spacing and quotes and paragraphs n'stuff so thank you for that!Just havin a little fun with you, frako... I couldn't pass up a great line. You haft ask on witch dates. lulz

Indeed. The same people that have pushed political correctness too far, I suppose. But my point throughout this thread was that it isn't offensive to wish someone a Merry Christmas, and that your not imposing your religions on them by doing so. Exactly. There's no good reason to have to avoid using the phrase "Merry Christmas".

Show me someone who wants to require it.And then show me how that has anything to do with my point.

None of which showed people wanting to require it. BFDYour point is unimportant in irrelevant. Besides, nobody is saying that it should be required.