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ringo
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Message 76 of 245 (373194)
12-31-2006 1:13 PM 		Reply to: Message 75 by anastasia
12-31-2006 12:46 PM

Re: patriotism to which values?
anastasia writes:
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It does not say 'freedom from religion' but 'freedom of religion'.
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Interestingly, many languages (French, for example) don't make a distinction between "of" and "from" at all. It's the same word.
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And if, as some theists claim, atheism is a religion, requiring "faith", then freedom to "practise" atheism would be freedom from religion.
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Isn't that what the so-called "war on Christmas" is all about - the desire to be free from other people's religions?
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Message 78 of 245 (373196)
12-31-2006 1:27 PM 		Reply to: Message 77 by Phat
12-31-2006 1:21 PM

Re: patriotism to which values?
Phat writes:
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I say that majority rules.
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You don't even need a constitution for that. The majority can bully minorities anywhere.
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One of the main reasons to have a constitution is to protect minorities from the majority. Your Constitution tries to do that by guaranteeing freedom from being forced to observe the religion of the majority.
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12-31-2006 5:17 PM 		Reply to: Message 79 by anastasia
12-31-2006 4:12 PM

Re: patriotism to which values?
anastasia writes:
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The atheist will be free of hearing about christmas, but the christian will not be free to mention it.
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Freedom "of" religion entitles you to practise whatever religion you choose. Freedom "of" speech entitles you to say whatever you choose about your religion.
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Freedom "from" religion entitles you to practise no religion at all. Freedom "from" speech would entitle you not to speak at all.
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I don't know of any fundamental right not to hear what you don't want to hear.
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Message 192 of 245 (594089)
12-01-2010 4:03 PM 		Reply to: Message 191 by Artemis Entreri
12-01-2010 3:22 PM

Re: there should be a "War on Christmas"
Artemis Entreri writes:
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Let me guess all the non-Christians refuse to take the holiday and work anyway those days?
It was a pagan holiday long before Jesus was a gleam in Yahweh's eye. Do all the Christians refuse to decorate Christmas trees?
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