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Theodoric
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Message 226 of 245 (596732)
12-16-2010 5:24 PM
Reply to: Message 224 by New Cat's Eye
12-16-2010 4:53 PM


Self absorbed much?
Are you even reading what I write?

Of course I am. That is why I am wondering about the counter to that. Which you seem to want to completely ignore.

I see Jar asked the question, so how about addressing it.


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bluescat48
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Message 227 of 245 (596737)
12-16-2010 5:45 PM
Reply to: Message 218 by New Cat's Eye
12-16-2010 3:58 PM


Exactly. There's no good reason to have to avoid using the phrase "Merry Christmas".

In a sense I agree. I will say Merry Christmas on the 24 & 25 of December, similarly I will say Happy Chanukah during the eight days of Chanukah, Happy New Year on December 31 & January 1 Happy St.Nicholas day on December6, Happy Winter Solstice on the 21-22 Devcember etc. Otherwise between Thanksgiving & My Birthday (9 Jan) I say Happy holidays.


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Message 228 of 245 (596748)
12-16-2010 6:39 PM
Reply to: Message 225 by jar
12-16-2010 4:55 PM


Are those who are offended or complain about not being greeted with "Merry Christmas" wrong for it?

Yes.

My complaint is about the people who want to stop "Merry Christmas" from being used because they think its offensive or pushing religion on others.


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jar
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Message 229 of 245 (596749)
12-16-2010 6:43 PM
Reply to: Message 228 by New Cat's Eye
12-16-2010 6:39 PM


My complaint is about the people who want to stop "Merry Christmas" from being used because they think its offensive or pushing religion on others.

Well, assuming that there even are such people, the fact would be that it is pushing religion just as Happy Chanukah is pushing Judaism.

Merry Christmas is a religious statement.


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New Cat's Eye
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Message 230 of 245 (596750)
12-16-2010 6:43 PM
Reply to: Message 227 by bluescat48
12-16-2010 5:45 PM


In a sense I agree. I will say Merry Christmas on the 24 & 25 of December, similarly I will say Happy Chanukah during the eight days of Chanukah, Happy New Year on December 31 & January 1 Happy St.Nicholas day on December6, Happy Winter Solstice on the 21-22 Devcember etc. Otherwise between Thanksgiving & My Birthday (9 Jan) I say Happy holidays.

I don't have a problem with using "Happy Holidays", or anything really. I wouldn't even be offended by someone wishing me a "Happy Chanukah".

I think its wrong to say that wishing someone a "Merry Christmas" is offensive and/or is pushing your religion on them.


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Message 231 of 245 (596751)
12-16-2010 6:45 PM
Reply to: Message 228 by New Cat's Eye
12-16-2010 6:39 PM


My complaint is about the people who want to stop "Merry Christmas" from being used because they think its offensive or pushing religion on others.

Who are these people? Do you have any real world examples, because I've never heard of it happening.


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...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist


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New Cat's Eye
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Message 232 of 245 (596752)
12-16-2010 6:45 PM
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12-16-2010 6:43 PM


Well, assuming that there even are such people,

There are, in this thread...

the fact would be that it is pushing religion just as Happy Chanukah is pushing Judaism.

How is a greating pushing religion?

Merry Christmas is a religious statement.

Not necessarily. I have other posts in this thread about that if you want to discuss it. I gotta go, though.


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jar
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Message 233 of 245 (596755)
12-16-2010 6:51 PM
Reply to: Message 232 by New Cat's Eye
12-16-2010 6:45 PM


Christmas is a Christian Holy day.
Christmas like Easter and Pentecost are Christian Holy Days, religious in nature and specific to one particular religion.

A greeting that only pertains to one specific religion is pushing religion, a specific religion.


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Message 234 of 245 (596757)
12-16-2010 7:11 PM
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12-16-2010 6:51 PM


Re: Christmas is a Christian Holy day.
Christmas is more than that. I celebrate Christmas and I'm not a Christian. And there are a great deal of trappings associated with Christmas in this country that have nothing to do with the Christian holy day.


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist


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jar
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Message 235 of 245 (596759)
12-16-2010 7:17 PM
Reply to: Message 234 by subbie
12-16-2010 7:11 PM


Re: Christmas is a Christian Holy day.
I'm not sure how that changes the reality of Christmas?

And yes, I agree that the Holy Day has also been secularized, but that is not really relevant to the topic of some imagined war on Christmas.

I'm still waiting for some evidence that there really are folk that believe as CS asserts when he said: "My complaint is about the people who want to stop "Merry Christmas" from being used because they think its offensive or pushing religion on others."

I can see the argument that it is pushing religion; Christmas is only a Holy Day for one particular religion. That much is a fact.

Whether or not it is offensive is an entirely different issue.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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subbie
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Message 236 of 245 (596761)
12-16-2010 7:22 PM
Reply to: Message 235 by jar
12-16-2010 7:17 PM


Re: Christmas is a Christian Holy day.
Well, I routinely say "Merry Christmas" this time of year, and I'm certainly not pushing religion. In particular, I'm not pushing a religion I disagree with. For me, it has a purely secular meaning. I guess if you want to argue that it's pushing religion just to say "Merry Christmas," I'm willing to listen to what you have to say. But I know for a fact that it's not always pushing religion.

However, I certainly agree with your skepticism about the claim that there are people trying to ban use of the phrase.


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist


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Message 237 of 245 (596773)
12-16-2010 8:14 PM
Reply to: Message 234 by subbie
12-16-2010 7:11 PM


the 25th of December is NOT a Christian Holy day.
Hi subbie, I object to calling it a christian holiday.

I celebrate Christmas and I'm not a Christian.

Likely what you celebrate is yuletide, with the trees decorated, the family and feasts, and the sharing of gifts.

These celebrations have nothing intrinsic to do with christianity, and christianity has nothing to do with the 25th of December to mark it out as a special date to that faith in any way.

It's an ancient festival to celebrate the winter solstice.

Enjoy.


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Message 238 of 245 (596774)
12-16-2010 8:16 PM
Reply to: Message 237 by RAZD
12-16-2010 8:14 PM


Re: the 25th of December is NOT a Christian Holy day.
Perhaps you should tell that to the millions of Christians who've co-opted the day for themselves. I'm aware of what you say.


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist


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Message 239 of 245 (596778)
12-16-2010 8:34 PM
Reply to: Message 218 by New Cat's Eye
12-16-2010 3:58 PM


frako writes:
Political correctness has gone way to far in your country
Catholic Scientist writes:
Indeed.

I'm not convinced of that.

If I go by the complaints that I occasionally hear, then it has gone too far. But if I go by my own experience, I'm led to wonder whether the complaints are gross exaggerations.


Jesus was a liberal hippie
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Theodoric
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Message 240 of 245 (596779)
12-16-2010 8:35 PM
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12-16-2010 6:45 PM


There are, in this thread...

Can you provide real world examples and examples in this thread?


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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