crash writes:
We agnostics are more loyal to logic than either the atheist or deist/theist camps: any God or "ultimate reality" is unknown and probably unknowable.
Any God? Surely not, Omni. The degree to which a God is knowable certainly depends on how it is defined, but obviously just appending the word "God" to describe something doesn't automatically render it beyond all capacity of knowledge.
Hmm...capacity of knowledge, capacity of knowledge, capacity of knowledge... You sure you're a verbally gifted language professional?
Splitting linguistic hairs outside the context provided by the thread doesn't make you more logical, crash, but it does seem (what's that word you like to apply to others so much?) masturbatory.
I mean, think it through. You say any God, but obviously if I define "God" as "a penguin who lives in a box in Times Square", it's easy enough to go see if there's really one there or not.
You think it through, tadpole.
You could define a singularity as your asshole and collect data scientists never dreamed would be available. So what? Others could define your asshole as a singularity, too, but if scientists are attempting to determine whether or not it is, in fact, a singularity, they won't be asking themselves whether you are an asshole.
I didn't say "the existence of any God"--the construction of "God or ultimate reality" is quite clear in the context of this thread. Don't be deliberately thick. You do well enough casually.
Still, let's look at your boo-boo. If I put a penquin in a box in Times Square and call it God, and you verify its presence, you'll accept that it is a god? How would you determine that? No, not the trivial quibble of whether or not someone calls it a god, but whether it has the god-like nature and power addressed by this thread.
Wringing its neck or noting its refusal to perform miracles won't work. Cannot a god sacrifice itself or remain deaf to prayer? You once believed those things possible for a god, if I recall correctly.
How God is defined makes a big difference. It's a little ridiculous to pretend like you've made this great commitment to logic at the same time you seem completely adverse to using any, ever.
For the purposes of this thread, God was already defined. You're like the context-free kid who runs into the nudist colony screaming, "The Emperor has no clothes!"
By the way, the word is averse, O wisest of poopy-headed penquin pilgrims.
If you're going to split other people's hairs, comb your own first.
Real things always push back.-William James
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