Discussion relating to deism seems to have been pretty thin. Let's try to get back there.
BTW, I don't remotely have the enthusiasm to go back and flag a bunch of messages as being off-topic. Maybe members can recognize such on their own, and not respond to them?
Anyway, here again is message 1 of this topic:
I have recently found myself flirting with aspects of deism. This has come as quite a shock.
Before I implode into a black hole of a pre-midlife existential angst under the sheer weight of deitilogical confusion I would like to ask a few questions.
If any of the following offends you, - that is OK. It is my aim to offend everyone equally and indiscriminately.
To AtheistsIs there really nothing out there. Are you really really sure? “There is no evidence” I hear you cry. You smug self-righteous bastards. Did everything really come from nothing? I mean really absolutely
nothing. No space, no time, no other dimensions. No forces, no matter, no energy. No equation obeying abstract concepts. No laws. No rules. No . . consciousness? NOTHING. Really? And doesn’t quantum theory and it’s ”role of the conscious observer’ implications pose some fairly awkward questions? Come out from your faade of rationalism and admit it. The ultimate evidence is against you.
To DeistsC’mon, what the fuck actually
is deism? Surely it is just a debating tactic masquerading as a meaningful philosophy. After all how can one argue with someone who believes everything and nothing all at the same time?
What is the rational basis for deism? That which we do not know? That which we “cannot” know? It’s all based on our inability and lack of understanding regarding the most fundamental questions. Is deism at root just a belief in a glorified gOD of the ultimate gaps?
To ”Rational’ Theists and Creationists (because you are both the same really)Put you bibles/korans/torahs/etc/etc down for a second and think. Pretend your book of choice does not exist for just a moment if you can.
Look around you. Aren’t all those difficult theological questions about pain, death, suffering and evil much better answered by an uncaring and indifferent creator? The best evidence you have for God is the appearance of design and frankly there is nothing in that which suggests anything cares about
you. Take away your book and all you have left are arguments for deism!!!!
To AgnosticsOh who cares what
you guys think?
In the unlikely event that this (slightly drunken) rant gets promoted I would like to hear from anyone who can imagine that they are wrong.
Anyone else can stuff off elsewhere!
Adminnemooseus
Please note and abide by the final part of my "signature".
Admin writes:
It really helps moderators figure out if a topic is disintegrating because of general misbehavior versus someone in particular if the originally non-misbehaving members kept it that way. When everyone is prickly and argumentative and off-topic and personal then it's just too difficult to tell. We have neither infinite time to untie the Gordian knot, nor the wisdom of Solomon.
There used to be a comedian who presented his ideas for a better world, and one of them was to arm everyone on the highway with little rubber dart guns. Every time you see a driver doing something stupid, you fire a little dart at his car. When a state trooper sees someone driving down the highway with a bunch of darts all over his car he pulls him over for being an idiot.
Please make it easy to tell you apart from the idiots.
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