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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I would certainly support the idea of a Muslim President. I would oppose the idea of required prayers at a football game regardless of the nature or denomination. I would also oppose taking the words "Play Ball"out of the National Anthem.
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
We should have known something about Muslim intentions if only from the actions of the Muslim pirates who kidnapped and enslaved American sailors in the time of Washington and Adams, because America was considered by them to be a Christian nation, and Christians like all "infidels" worthy only of humiliation, servitude or death. ROTFLMAO!!!! Very glad you brought that up. I assume you've read the Treaty of Tripoli? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Not only did he mean what he said but in case you haven't noticed, it's the truth.
HOWEVER, none of this is relevant to the point, which is that the Muslim pirates considered American sailors to be Christians, and Christians to be fair game for kidnapping and enslavement. Don't change the subject. That is something you have been trying to make the point through repeated assertions, but like everything else from your knowledge of history to your understanding of Christianity, all your posts are doing is showing that you don't have a clue. Our current friends the British were also impressing our seamen which lead to the War of 1812 (even though that was yet another example of sheer stupidity on the US part and classic overreaction and a rush to use force when diplomacy would have and did do as well). Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
No, the English impressed and enslaved our seamen for the same reason the Barbary Pirates did, because that was normal Great Power behavior and the US was simply a secondclass bit player.
Your assesment of the history is a classic example of why certain religious people must be questioned very closely before they are allowed to hold positions of power. It has nothing to do with religion but rather the capability of their making reasoned, informed decisions. If, for example, they honestly believe the universe is but 6000 years old or that gays are a threat to marriage or that the Flood happened or that the TOE is not the best explanation for what we observe, then they are incapable of reasoned thought and it is questionable whether or not they would be fit to hold any office. Such handicaps should not be an absolute bar to holding office, but it is an indicator. The question would be whether they are capable of setting aside such illogical and unreasonable beliefs while performing their duties. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
This is nothing but revisionist propaganda. Yeah right. LOL That's why the Crusaders decided to stop of and sack Christian Constantinople instead of going on to Jerusalem. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
So do nutcases like Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, and the wackos in Colorado Springs.
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Well Faith, so far you have not shown any evidence that Islam wants to kill Infidels like me or that I would even be considered as an Infidel.
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Check out the Islamic definition of People of the book.
This is a message written by Muhammad ibn Abdullah, as a covenant to those who adopt Christianity, far and near, we are behind them. Verily, I defend them by myself, the servants, the helpers, and my followers, because Christians are my citizens; and by Allah! I hold out against anything that displeases them. No compulsion is to be on them. Neither are their judges to be changed from their jobs, nor their monks from their monasteries. No one is to destroy a house of their religion, to damage it, or to carry anything from it to the Muslims' houses. Should anyone take any of these, he would spoil God's covenant and disobey His Prophet. Verily, they (Christians) are my allies and have my secure charter against all that they hate. No one is to force them to travel or to oblige them to fight. The Muslims are to fight for them. If a female Christian is married to a Muslim, this is not to take place without her own wish. She is not to be prevented from going to her church to pray. Their churches are to be respected. They are neither to be prevented from repairing them nor the sacredness of their covenants. No one of the nation is to disobey this covenant till the Day of Judgment and the end of the world." Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Actually, the Muslims accept most of the Old Testatment as scripture. They revere the same prophets including Moses and Abraham, Isaac and Joseph, honor the same GOD and even accept Jesus as a prophet. They do not believe he was GOD though. They have the same creation story as in Genesis (except that women are treated much better in the Islamic Version).
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
It seems that Islam, even when it reaches out to "allies," focuses primarily on hate. Actually no, if you read it it's talking about things the Christian hated.
This is written almost as if the default practice was to indeed destroy a house of worship if it is not the right kind. Christians are spared this fate for some reason (something to do with Abraham, maybe). Well, that was the practice at that time in many communities. It was particularly true in Christian Europe. Just look at what they did to existing religions when they moved into an area. LOL The amazing thing about Islam is that it pretty much ignored what folk believed. Throughout the period when Christian Europe was starting Crusades (and the Crusaders coming back with amazing discoveries like the fact that most of the Muslim World had indoor plumbing) there were Christian and Jewish communities throughout the Muslim world. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Wrong, totally wrong. Sorry but the motive of the First Crusade was to try to turn the interminable wars between the European Christian city-states outward. The Muslims were simply handy.
When Islam began in the 7th century, almost all the Middle East was Christian. Sorry, but you'll have to supply some evidence to back up a statement like that. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Yup. It was a dynamic period which many people tend to forget. Lots of things were changing.
I'm afraid we might get way too far OT going down this road but would love to see a discussion on the period and the changing dynamics, the beginnings of the concept of Nation and the history of the area. Start a thread on it if you too think it would be interesting. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
1) The Crusades were not Christian aggression. Beg pardon? Can you provide supporting evidence? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Would you not consider it ominous if the majority of American Christian congregations and organzations were taken over by Nazis dedicated to our destruction...without a fight? Getting way OT but you are still asserting absurdities. The Nazis were NOT anti-Christian.
My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited. -Adolf Hitler, in his speech on 12 April 1922 Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Sure, lots of assertions, little evidence.
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