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Author Topic:   Should those of religious faith be allowed to run this country?
NosyNed
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Message 108 of 308 (214890)
06-07-2005 1:22 AM
Reply to: Message 107 by CanadianSteve
06-07-2005 12:56 AM


Muslim extremists
You are correct that there are Muslim extremists. The type of single-minded, fundamentalists, irrational belief system they adhere to is dangerous. That is exactly why any examples of such belief systems should be watched carefully and kept under control. They certainly should not be allowed positions of significant power.
That is why many here spend time opposing the so-called-Christian cults that exhibit exactly the same characteristics. It is apparent to both myself and my Christian friends that the views of those friends and I are closer than those friends are the extreme Christian cults. In fact those fundamentalist Christian cults are much closer to the Muslim extremists than they are to other Christians or the Muslim Islamists are to the thinking, moderate Muslims.

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NosyNed
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Message 120 of 308 (215021)
06-07-2005 2:05 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by CanadianSteve
06-07-2005 12:57 PM


Extremists (without qualification)
I'm anything but a fundamentalist myself, but I disagree that there is a parallel between Islamists and Christian fundamentalists. That is why we do not see Christians of any denomination flying planes into buildings, chanting from the New Testament while cutting off heads of live and conscious victims, blowing up thousands of fellow citizens in an effort to derail democracy, and so on.
Not that i haven't occasionally come across a Christian who, in the name of his faith, wouldn't want to see some kind of circumscribed democracy that is akin to a Christian theocracy. They, however, are very rare. The clear majority of evangelicals are like George Bush himself, a democrat to their very core.
I would agree that, in the last century, the Muslims extremists demonstrate a greater degree of extremism in their actualy behavior. It is the type of thinking that I was refering to as "dangerous".
Bush is a very good example of the kind of irrational thinking that is dangerous. We have some very difficult decisions to make over the next years and decades. To have any hope of making half way decent ones we need those making decisions to be able to incorporate facts (even if they are uncomfortable) and use reason and logic to come to conclusions (even if the conclusions are not welcome). This is the kind of thinking process that is discouraged by blind (willfully so) faith as a way of arriving at conclusions.
Christians as a whole have moved further from this kind of thinking in the last few centuries than Muslims have is something I would have to agree with (even if it sounds racist in some way).
However, that doesn't mean that the cults contained with in Christianity are not capable of retrogressing to a time when they could use violence to achieve the "work of God" is also my view.

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NosyNed
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Message 280 of 308 (215522)
06-08-2005 11:12 PM


No resolution yet, wait and see
I don't think this one will resolve with what information is at hand.
We will have to wait and see won't we? I think we will have a thread within a year or so that will be discussing something going to court that is obviously (to some of us) going to be based on dishonesty. Not dishonesty by a professor nor by a student but rather by some fundie sort having lied to the student and then a right-wing-nut organization supporting some idea of an inverse Scope's trail on the topic.

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