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Author Topic:   ¿Can you believe in an old earth and a global flood?
New Cat's Eye
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Message 8 of 47 (452022)
01-29-2008 12:34 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Garabato
01-29-2008 12:24 PM


Oh, sorry, I ment to say that he believes in an old earth and a local flood around 4500 years ago.
I you sure you didn't mean to say global flood?
If there was an old earth and a global flood then we would expect to see a bottleneck in the number of species, but we don't so we can be pretty sure that a global flood did not happen.

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Message 12 of 47 (452038)
01-29-2008 12:57 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Garabato
01-29-2008 12:39 PM


maybe this will help
Could annyone give me some light on the subject?
The hebrew word for the dirt and the ground was the same word for their whole world (and their country), kinda like we use the word earth.
Earth can mean the whole planet or it can just mean dirt. I could say that I have some earth in my hand, or that there is a lot of earth in my backyard.
Now, lets say I am experiencing a local flood (in my backyard). My scribe writes of my observation: "He looked out into his backyard and saw that all the earth was covered."
What I literally mean is that all the dirt in my backyard is covered in water. But what someone might misunderstand me saying is that the whole freakin planet is covered in water.
Can you see how a misinterpretation can lead to a misunderstanding?
The whole planet was not covered in water in the timeframe of a YEC's young earth, one of the reason s we know this, as I mentioned above, is the lack of a bottleneck in the number of species.
The planet is old and The FloodTM could just have been a misunderstanding of older tales (like the deluge in Epic of Gilgamesh) that could have been actual observation of local floods.

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Message 15 of 47 (452182)
01-29-2008 4:46 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by teen4christ
01-29-2008 4:27 PM


I don't think "bottleneck" is the right word to describe such a catastrophe. I think most people would agree to use something like "global extinction" or "mass extinction" to describe it.
Did you even read the page I linked too!?
It says:
quote:
A population bottleneck (or genetic bottleneck) is an evolutionary event in which a significant percentage of a population or species is killed or otherwise prevented from reproducing, and the population is reduced by 50% or more, often by several orders of magnitude.
That is pretty much exactly what I was describing.
Bottleneck means the allele frequency after an event is very different from the allele frequency before the event.
Flase. If the allele frequency increased by a whole lot, then the frequency would be "very different" but it would not be a bottleneck. I guess I could call it a bottlebody
Your definition needs to specify that it is a decrease.
Besides, I specified that the bottleneck was in the number of species, not alleles. And on top of that, I could use bottleneck to describe all kinds of things, for example, if I was constipated, I say there was a bottleneck in the number of shits I take in a week.
Got it?

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Message 26 of 47 (474583)
07-09-2008 1:34 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Artemis Entreri
07-09-2008 9:19 AM


yeah after the last ice age ended there was a huge flood, when all that ice melted
But the flood couldn't have been global. The entire planet has never been covered in water. There's always been some land somewhere.

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