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Author Topic:   ¿Can you believe in an old earth and a global flood?
Dr Adequate
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Message 33 of 47 (475803)
07-18-2008 11:50 AM
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07-17-2008 4:27 PM


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I'd be interested, for example, in a few rivers that defy logic.
There's the Nonsequitur River, which comes out of nowhere ... the Petitioprincipii, which is its own source ... the Oxymoron, which flows in both directions at once ...

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Dr Adequate
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Message 39 of 47 (476193)
07-21-2008 9:26 PM


Illogical Rivers

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Message 42 of 47 (476214)
07-22-2008 1:22 AM
Reply to: Message 40 by Architect-426
07-21-2008 10:16 PM


Re: Illogical rivers
Take a look at the Susquehana; north of Harrisburg and note how it chose to flow through mountain ranges instead of around them. The other rivers do the same trick. Does anyone have any explanations?
I would attribute that chiefly, indeed exclusively, to the fact that rivers follow the line of least resistance from their origin to their destination. If you feel that it would be more "logical" for the Susquehanna to get up out of its bed and go around the mountains, feel free to explain that to the Susquehanna. But I'm afraid that that illogical old river might go on following the laws of hydrodynamics all the same.
By the way I got a good chuckle out of Dr. Adequate's rivers. Its always good to keep a sense of humor around this subject of God flooding the earth and wiping out mankind and everything else.
I was, of course, laughing at your quaint phrase about "rivers that defy logic", and I never mentioned the Flood in any way whatsoever.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 46 of 47 (476314)
07-22-2008 8:31 PM
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07-22-2008 7:53 PM


Susquehanna
It seems we have two thoughts going:
1. The river was always there and the mountain ranges decided to stop at the river bed, then continue on the other side (assuming the river eroded them down as they rose).
2. The mountains were there first and then the river cuts through the hard rock at 90 d. without a blink.
Neither of those is an accurate summary of the views that have been presented to you. You should read more carefully before replying.
So which was first, the river or the mountains? (this logic would also apply to the thousands of rivers in the world that do the exact same thing).
In the case of the Susquehanna, it appears to have been the river.
If the rivers were always present before mountain ranges, then were they as large assuming the world was relatively flat?
Why would we assume that the rest of the world was relatively flat?
To say that a river existed before a particular mountain range is not to say that this river existed at a time when there were no mountains anywhere.
Furthermore if the rivers were always in place ignoring mountain building, then why do they rise with the landscape of the mountains ...
They don't.
Am I actually going to have to explain to a creationist that water flows downhill? In so many words?
I think I am.
Water flows downhill.
The Susquehanna flows between mountains, it doesn't flow up mountains. There is no point whatsoever at which it "rises with the landscape".
Assume, just for one moment, that plate tectonics had little to do with mountain building. Then what other major force could there have been to create them?
Why do you want to know?
This is like asking: "Assume, just for a moment, that gravity doesn't exist. Then what other force could make things fall when you drop them?"
I dunno ... magic pixies?
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