Where do the buddhists go?

I notice that you re-registered, this time using upper case I. Do you want your two accounts merged or the old account closed?

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For the record, there are a score or more references to hell in the Jewish scriptures, most referring to the place of the dead, Sheol but some clearly implicating a place of punishment, such as Psalms 9:17 where we read, "The wicked shall be turned into hell and all the nations that forget God." Jesus said this place has two compartments, the place of fiery punishment and the place of the good, with the implication that the latter were awaiting resurrection.A fundamental doctrine of Buddhism is karma. Every word, thought and action is suppose to determine what miseries one may expect in the next (abe: earth )life, as to whether there will me many or few (abe: and as to how many earth existences will be required before nirvana.) The ultimate state desired is the mysterious nirvana (nibbana), which as near as I can determine is a non state of being where nothing exists, including dimension. This is suppose to be peaceful since nothing exists to cause misery, so all is peaceful. I see nothing that indicates a discription of any state of being in this alleged state. There is no birth into this alleged state (abe: and no other birth is ever expected.I suppose the desired state in this life of Buddhism no-thought-allegedly helps believers to achieve either a better next life or even nirvana.This message has been edited by buzsaw, 03-18-2006 09:23 PM

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 Z Y BUZ SAW

replace that with "death." the wicked shall be killed. does it still make sense? that second bit doesn't sound like a place of punishment, does it?

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The term that is translated as 'hell' is more "sheol" which is more accurately 'the grave'.There is no eternal hell in Judiasm. The mainstream belief is that when
someone dies, their soul might be 'purified' for up to a year, then join god in the world to come. Those that are too evil to be purified are granted obliviation.The references you think are of hell are to a large extent mistranslations with a difference concept associated with those translations.The translation of Psalm 9:17-18 from the 1985 verison of the JPS is The commentary from the Jewish Study Bible specifically says about
9:18 This message has been edited by ramoss, 03-18-2006 11:20 PMThis message has been edited by ramoss, 03-18-2006 11:22 PM

1. My Hebrew-English Lexicon has the Hebrew word "sheol" in Psalms 9:17 which is properly translated by most translators as "hell" in English.2. It depends, of course, on which part you end up in.I suggest if you want to debate further into this Biblical topic that you start another thread on it.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 Z Y BUZ SAW

Hi Jar. Sorry for the confusion, but I would like my old account closed, please. Thank you.

It's done and the lowercase name is set as an alias for your new account.

Thank you.

no, the word "hell" is derived from "sheol." it's a poor transliteration of it. the correct translation, as ramoss pointed out above, is "grave."at BEST the concept is more similar to greek "hades" (which is the word the new testament uses, btw). at worst, it's just a literal grave.This message has been edited by arachnophilia, 03-21-2006 11:08 PM

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You're wrong, but since it's not the topic here, I'll reserve further comment. Is there an open thread on the topic in the archives?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 Z Y BUZ SAW

As per my message 32, it appears to me that Buddhism's alleged nervana state really goes against science's first thermodynamic law big time, in that energy appears to vanish in this state as I am understanding the doctrine. This is not the case with Biblical fundamentals where energy changes but remains existent in the afterlife both for the saved and the lost.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 Z Y BUZ SAW

What energy?

here are two old ones that might work:http://EvC Forum: Religion without hell?
http://EvC Forum: Why Would a Loving God Create Hell?

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Perhaps many evcforum members (myself included) know too little about Buddhism to be able to comment.

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I don't think the subject of this thread requires one to know much about Buddhism to comment as long as one has a reasonable grasp of the christian dogma.As for not enough people responding, I think the main problem is that the loudest people on the fundy side seem to be systematically banned.As for Buddhism, yes, there is a heaven and, yes, there is a hell. The difference between Buddhism and most other religions is that descending to hell isn't punishment and ascending to heaven isn't a reward.Say that you've been eating pizza everyday for the last month. At the end of the month, you absolutely cannot bring yourself to take another bite. Are you being punished? The Buddhist would say that you are not being punished for being grossed out by pizza. It is just a natural state of your being. Same thing with ascending to heaven or descending to hell. If you are enlightened then you naturally ascend to heaven. If you are bogged down by, say, greed, lust, or some other worldly desire then you naturally descend to hell.There is no judging involved.

Existing energy.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 Z Y BUZ SAW