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Dan Carroll
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Message 46 of 108 (333977)
07-21-2006 12:30 PM
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07-20-2006 8:19 PM


Re: Of course it is ... just as moral as ...
she's been flexible on the YEC bit before
Fair enough.
a "millenia" is a thousand years.
Yeah, I know. So if the Earth is only 6,000 years old, "a few millenia" would be at least half of all time.

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And ask our esteemed panel, Why are we alive? And here's how they replied:
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And by all accounts you really should have died."
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Message 47 of 108 (333983)
07-21-2006 12:43 PM
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07-20-2006 9:49 AM


A few millennia
A "few millennia" is three or four wouldn't you say? Well the planet goes back six, and marriage as well -- back to Eden -- so what is all this carrying on about my being "flexible" about my YEC position?
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Dan Carroll
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Message 48 of 108 (333987)
07-21-2006 12:52 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by Faith
07-21-2006 12:43 PM


Re: A few millennia
A "few millennia" is three or four wouldn't you say?
Yes. So, as I say directly above your post, a "few millenia" would be, in the eyes of a YEC, at least half, if not a majority, of all time.
so what is all this carrying on about my being "flexible" about my YEC position?
*shrugs*
RAZD said you were flexible about it. If so, fair enough... my point's irrelevant.

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And ask our esteemed panel, Why are we alive? And here's how they replied:
You're what happens when two substances collide
And by all accounts you really should have died."
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Message 49 of 108 (333991)
07-21-2006 1:03 PM
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07-21-2006 12:52 PM


Re: A few millennia
But I'm not flexible. I believe in 6000 years as the age of the earth. I just don't understand why you thought there was something odd about my remark about a few depraved cultures in a few millennia.

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Dan Carroll
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Message 50 of 108 (333993)
07-21-2006 1:16 PM
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07-21-2006 1:03 PM


Re: A few millennia
But I'm not flexible.
Okay. RAZD was wrong.
I just don't understand why you thought there was something odd about my remark about a few depraved cultures in a few millennia.
Because you seem to be saying "a few millenia" as if it's a drop in the bucket. But if gay marriage has been around for the majority of time, then statements about how your definition of marriage has the weight of history on its side fall a little flat.

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And by all accounts you really should have died."
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Message 51 of 108 (333995)
07-21-2006 1:22 PM
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07-21-2006 1:16 PM


Re: A few millennia
Because you seem to be saying "a few millenia" as if it's a drop in the bucket. But if gay marriage has been around for the majority of time, then statements about how your definition of marriage has the weight of history on its side fall a little flat.
An extremely rare incidence of gay marriage only shows the fallen nature of the human race, while the vast majority case being hetero marriage demonstrates that that's the norm. A few millennia puts it since the Flood anyway.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Dan Carroll
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Message 52 of 108 (334000)
07-21-2006 1:31 PM
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07-21-2006 1:22 PM


Re: A few millennia
An extremely rare incidence of gay marriage only shows the fallen nature of the human race, while the vast majority case being hetero marriage demonstrates that that's the norm.
You wanna go for numbers cool. I'm always up for a good appeal to popularity. But you might want to leave duration of time off that argument.
A few millennia puts it since the Flood anyway.
Wasn't that when the really freakin' wicked were wiped off the planet?

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And ask our esteemed panel, Why are we alive? And here's how they replied:
You're what happens when two substances collide
And by all accounts you really should have died."
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Omnivorous
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Message 53 of 108 (334108)
07-21-2006 7:02 PM
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07-21-2006 12:43 PM


Re: A few millennia
Faith writes:
A "few millennia" is three or four wouldn't you say? Well the planet goes back six, and marriage as well -- back to Eden
Adam and Eve got married?!
Did they have a church wedding or a civil ceremony?
Did they need permission from the government?

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Message 54 of 108 (334119)
07-21-2006 8:01 PM
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07-21-2006 7:02 PM


Re: A few millennia
Adam and Eve got married?!
Did they have a church wedding or a civil ceremony?
Did they need permission from the government?
I said that marriage is done in different ways, by different customs in different places. In Abraham's day IIRC I think the man simply took the woman into his tent and that was acknowledged by the community as his marrying her, and completely binding on them from that time on.
If homosexuals want to marry each other among their own friends and leave the government completely out of it, that's fine by me. It's on their head then, not the nation's head. The problem is the official government community sanction bit.
And if they're doing it for the rights and percs, find another way to get those rights and percs than marriage.
Mat 19:4-6 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made [them] at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
Mar 10:6-9 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 55 of 108 (334125)
07-21-2006 8:49 PM
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07-21-2006 1:03 PM


Re: A few millennia
But I'm not flexible. I believe in 6000 years as the age of the earth.
And yet when we talk about evidence for an old earth as in
Exploring the Grand Canyon, from the bottom up.
or
Age Correlations and an Old Earth: Version 1 No 3 (formerly Part III)
You seem to have some {excuse\explanation} for how the years don't count the same or for why you just refuse to deal with the evidence.
I also believe that at one time you said you were not completely wedded to the 6000 years, but I could be mistaken there ... could it be 6001? 6010? 6100? Where do you draw the line?

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Message 56 of 108 (334139)
07-21-2006 10:00 PM
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07-21-2006 8:01 PM


Re: A few millennia
It's on their head then, not the nation's head. The problem is the official government community sanction bit.
So to get to the point of the thread; is the christian god angry at the nations that give hindu (or any religion that is not christianity) marriages a "official government community sanction"?

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Omnivorous
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Message 57 of 108 (334140)
07-21-2006 10:04 PM
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07-21-2006 8:01 PM


Pre-Lapsarian Marriage?
I said that marriage is done in different ways, by different customs in different places.
Okay.
But I'm genuinely curious--what form did Adam & Eve's marriage take? Were they made married at the moment of Eve's creation, at their expulsion from the Garden, or somewhere in between, say, rolling in the holy clover?
I had always assumed they were sexually innocent (i.e., inactive) in the Garden (though Milton seems to disagree) since they didn't even know they were naked.
If you don't mind my asking, Faith, what's your marriage history?
To paraphrase Father Sarducci on the Pope, do you want to make-a the rules when you don't play-a the game?

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Message 58 of 108 (334188)
07-22-2006 12:41 AM
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07-21-2006 10:04 PM


Re: Pre-Lapsarian Marriage?
there is no reason to assume they were inactive. i would suggest that "knowing they were naked" should be reinterpretted as "being ashamed of their bodies".
but that's probably because i'm a heathen.

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RAZD
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Message 59 of 108 (334249)
07-22-2006 10:09 AM
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07-21-2006 10:04 PM


Pre-mental-viagra Marriage?
It may not have been a ... choice?
I had always assumed they were sexually innocent ...
What if adam was not ... aroused?

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Message 60 of 108 (334282)
07-22-2006 12:41 PM
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07-21-2006 10:04 PM


Re: Pre-Lapsarian Marriage?
Well, it does certainly give rise to the question of just who the Horny Little Devil in the Garden was.

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