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Topic: egotheistic pantheism revealed...
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jar
Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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on evil
Many Christians seem to think good and evil are separate, but of course the Bible tells us that both good and evil are created by GOD and by GOD's will alone. Isaiah 45:
5I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: 6That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else. 7I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. But then they also seem to forget that other parts of the Bible declare that there are many Gods. Psalm 95:
1O come, let us sing unto the LORD: let us make a joyful noise to the rock of our salvation. 2Let us come before his presence with thanksgiving, and make a joyful noise unto him with psalms. 3For the LORD is a great God, and a great King above all gods.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 24 of 308 (376939)
01-14-2007 1:25 PM
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Reply to: Message 23 by Rob
01-14-2007 1:19 PM
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Re: on evil
There is only one Lord. So you say. But parts of the Bible say otherwise. Just more of the obvious contradictions in the Bible.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 49 of 308 (376991)
01-14-2007 5:00 PM
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Reply to: Message 41 by Rob
01-14-2007 4:47 PM
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on Maps
Is there only one path to God or not Iceage? How could anyone know?
The path to God is the truth (whatever that turns out to be). We may begin at different points, but if we follow the voice of reason (law of non-contradiction), it leads to only one point; one gate inot reality. Why one gate? Law of Non-Contradiction? How absurd. Why would it apply?
If Jesus says there is only one gate, and that he is that gate, then a religion that says otherwise simply must exclude that as true. Of course. That could well be either a misreading of what the Bible says (as I believe) or just plain wrong. GOD is not a religion. Religions are just something men created. They are but Maps, not the Territory. In addition, the fact that one part of a religion might be wrong says nothing about other parts of the religion. All the Maps will have areas where they are accurate, and areas where they are not as accurate.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 54 of 308 (376996)
01-14-2007 5:25 PM
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Reply to: Message 53 by anastasia
01-14-2007 5:15 PM
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On the Sheep.
What is so funny is using the quote from John:
John 10:7 Therefore Jesus said again, "I tell you the truth, I am the gate for the sheep. If one reads the parable of the Sheep and the Goats it is pretty obvious that the GOATs are Christians, the Sheep may or may not be. Seems like Jesus is trying to tell most Christians that they don't have a clue what Salvation will depend on. The odds are that Heaven will be filled with far more Atheists and Satanists and Agnostics and Pantheists and Muslims and Jews and Taoists and Buddhists and Wiccans and Hindus than there will be Christians.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 56 of 308 (377006)
01-14-2007 6:29 PM
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Reply to: Message 55 by anastasia
01-14-2007 6:09 PM
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Re: On the Sheep.
"extra ecclesia nulla salus" is a problem for the RCC. It means that there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church. BUT ... Joseph Ratzinger once wrote that the interpretation of that had changed. His reasoning is that it is impossible to believe that all those people who lived before the advent of the Roman Catholic Church are damned. I have a feeling that what Joe says may become accepted RCC dogma.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 63 of 308 (377022)
01-14-2007 8:16 PM
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Reply to: Message 59 by Rob
01-14-2007 7:57 PM
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Re: on Maps
Btw, this thread is not about the definition of religion. it is about the fact that all belief systems; all philosophies; all religions; and reality, are exclusive. If you want to prove me wrong, then don't disagree, or you will prove me right. Bullshit. More blather and jabberwocky. Likely you will pull out the old crappola of Non-Contradiction like that was some talisman. Sorry but Non-Contradiction is only an incantation of little minds when applied inappropriately. Christianity can be right while Islam is right and Judaism is right and Hinduism is right and Taoism is right.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 76 of 308 (377039)
01-14-2007 9:19 PM
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Reply to: Message 74 by Rob
01-14-2007 9:15 PM
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Re: on Maps
I am not saying they necessarily exclude reality. They implicitely claim to be reality. Only the fool confuses religion with reality. Edited by jar, : minus period
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 84 of 308 (377048)
01-14-2007 9:35 PM
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Reply to: Message 78 by Rob
01-14-2007 9:25 PM
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Re: on Maps
jar writes: Only the fool confuses religion with reality. to which Rob blathered...
You would know... ...the only distinction is the law of non-ontradiction that you find so shallow and inane and base and irrelevant and uneventful and the like. What? Why do you post these things that have nothing to do with the topic or even the post you are replying to? What are you blathering about? Of course I do not confuse my religion with reality. How many times must I post that Religions are just Maps, not the Territory. Again, only a fool confuses religion with Reality.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 92 of 308 (377059)
01-14-2007 10:01 PM
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Reply to: Message 88 by Rob
01-14-2007 9:46 PM
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Those who actually have a point can make it using their own words.
Well whatever jar... When I hear you talk about the map, it makes me think you are referencing Lewis with bad understanding. Theology is the map, reality is knowing God personally. And the latter is what the good news of the gosple is all about. That's why it's GOOD NEWS! Too funny. What is theology if not religions? What is Christianity other than a religion?
Otherwise, what would distinguish it from any other claim to fame? Very good question Rob. A good beginning. Rob, your belief system is fine. It's even okay for you to believe it is the ONLY way. But that is but belief. It is not reality.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 96 of 308 (377068)
01-14-2007 11:46 PM
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Reply to: Message 94 by Rob
01-14-2007 11:24 PM
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Re: Those who actually have a point can make it using their own words.
Not true... Theology starts with God. Religion starts with man. Christianity is not about religion. it is about encountering the Living God. That is what Jesus taught. He opposed the religious elitists like yourself. Thus Spake Robithustra LOL You are so funny. You call me a religious elitist when I post that religion is just a Map, when I that no religion is the Territory. You talk about encountering the Living God. Any Spinozist could help you there, they are in immediate touch with the Living God. AbE: Remember when you said ...
Theology is the map, reality is knowing God personally. Theology is the Map. Now you say Theology starts with God. You really can't keep your story straight or consistent because you really have no consistent point other than preaching the Gospel according to Rob. Edited by jar, : add mo beef
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 101 of 308 (377076)
01-15-2007 12:59 AM
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Reply to: Message 99 by Rob
01-15-2007 12:51 AM
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Stil but tapdancing.
Theology does start with God. But looking at the map is not the same thing as entering the country. Did you not even read the clip I provided? You are still simply playing word games, rather pointless ones. Christianity is no more the Territory than Buddhism or Taoism or Pantheism. I read the clip over 50 years ago. As though it was of any value anyway, I am not discussing stuff with Lewis, but rather with you.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 170 of 308 (377180)
01-15-2007 12:18 PM
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Reply to: Message 112 by anastasia
01-15-2007 1:31 AM
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Re: no contradictions
Rob thinks he is going to work on the corner of Green and Packer, and he KNOWS how to get there. Simply not TRUE. Rob thinks he knows a way to get there. Rob may think he has been there, may think he has a correct Map but until he actually gets there and find the job is there, it is all just a belief.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 171 of 308 (377183)
01-15-2007 12:27 PM
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Reply to: Message 122 by Rob
01-15-2007 1:58 AM
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Re: on Maps
Yes I think you're right, except for the part I edited out. But you said it very irresponsibly. The Bible itself makes no false claim. And it's embodiment which 'is Christ', made no false claims. And He claimed exclusivity in black and white terms that cannot be refuted or misconstrued by any honest investigator. And He claimed non-exclusivity in black and white terms that cannot be refuted or misconstrued by any honest investigator. Matthew 25:31-46. But Rob. Can you ever post anything that is on topic? Why do you continue to post off topic inane stuff like:
But we, as fallible men and women of any faith make false claims, though not always intentionally. But the impact is real, regardless of our intentions. The consequences are real and deadly. So, Anastasia, Christianity does not make false claims, but Christians often do. There is a difference. Algebra is not false, because the new proffesor is a dolt. And as sinners, as Christians, we know what we are. As imperfect (wretched really) creatures, we are perfected by Jesus perfection. By placing our faith in Him instead of ourselves. He is the true leader to the promised land. As for being perfected, I defer to Lewis who said, '...and death is part of the process.' Just as the seed falls and hence bears more, so we must sow our flesh, to be raised to glory. that is not just pointless, but has NOTHING to do with Pantheism?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 184 of 308 (377232)
01-15-2007 5:29 PM
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Reply to: Message 168 by Rob
01-15-2007 11:46 AM
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More projection.
If a band of thieves is carrying on in a brothel having a good time and making their plans... Do you think they would be annoyed and feel derailed to have a preacher come into their midst and remind them in point blank terms of the error of their ways? Only if the preacher actually had a clue what he was talking about. As long as the preacher is simply blathering and spouting inanities I doubt they would pay him much mind. What is really funny though is when that Preacherman THINKS he has found a band of thieves in a brothel and has actually found the FBI in a sting operation. Here the preacher is not just making a fool of himself he is actually standing in the way of GOOD.
But many will plot in every conceivable way to undermine and discredit the preacher. And if given the chance, some will kill him if they think they can get away with it. How absolutely ridiculous. Why is it the fundies always fall back on the old canard that folk are gonna kill them? Is it because they would if given the chance? Don't they realize that most folk including Atheists and even Thieves are more moral than many Christians? The preacher has nothing to fear from the thieves, after all, he has nothing of value either in this world or the next.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 195 of 308 (377283)
01-15-2007 10:02 PM
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Reply to: Message 191 by Rob
01-15-2007 8:53 PM
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more nonsense
Everybody likes to join in on the fun of mocking Christianity. As a Christian I can say that so far only your posts have been mocking Christianity.
And like jar said earlier, they think that because 'we know' as Christ knew, that they want to kill us (in their hearts), we must be projecting that murderous intent. Why would anyone want to kill you? They might have pity on you, feel sorry for you, be amused by your posts, but no one would considering expending much effort over those who simply don't matter.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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