egotheistic pantheism revealed...

Like pressing you for a reference to your premise? And the best you can come up with is you talked to someone once. Maybe that someone was as confused as you.

Too funny. What is theology if not religions? What is Christianity other than a religion? Very good question Rob. A good beginning.Rob, your belief system is fine. It's even okay for you to believe it is the ONLY way.But that is but belief. It is not reality.

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Ok, something to work with.If religions/theologies are maps, will they all get us to the same place even if the directions are wrong?They will all get us SOMEWHERE, yes. But to the RIGHT place?If all maps claim to be true, does that exclude others from being true?Why can't there actually BE a few paths to the same place?The only real factor here, is that you BELIEVE only one map exists that leads to reality. You still can't prove it, even if you talk about non-contradiction ad aeternum.(And who do you think the REAL theologians are which Lewis refers to?)Hmmm...I thinkI just paraphrased jar before I read his post.Edited by anastasia, : No reason given.Edited by anastasia, : No reason given.

Not true...Theology starts with God. Religion starts with man. Christianity is not about religion. it is about encountering the Living God. That is what Jesus taught. He opposed the religious elitists like yourself.

Theology starts with God, religion starts with man. they are not the same.How do you know which is true?The one that is consistent and not contradictory. The one that follows the law of love; the law of harmony; the law of non-contradiction.All contradictory statements are false. That does not mean however that all coherent statements are true.Logic is not enough, but the lack of it proves falsehood. Hence the thread about pantheism. It is a contradiction because it claims to not be exclusive, and all truth is exclusive.Edited by scottness, : No reason given.

Thus Spake Robithustra LOLYou are so funny. You call me a religious elitist when I post that religion is just a Map, when I that no religion is the Territory.You talk about encountering the Living God. Any Spinozist could help you there, they are in immediate touch with the Living God.AbE: Remember when you said ... Theology is the Map. Now you say Theology starts with God.You really can't keep your story straight or consistent because you really have no consistent point other than preaching the Gospel according to Rob.Edited by jar, : add mo beef

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Forget pantheism...if a person says there are many paths to God, they are excluding the possibility of there being one path.If you say there is one path to God, you are excluding the possibility that there are many paths.But your position makes sense because it admits to itself? Is that the logic?Now please someone tell me if I am out of my gourd...if pantheism is based on a whole different concept of God...if God is really everywhere, then why can't a map, any old map, take us to Him when He is behind every tree and around every corner? Does this ocntradict itself? A religion claiming to be inclusive because it logically follows from its theology?And then your religion claiming to be exclusive because it logically follows from your theology?Sure they can't both be right, but neither contradicts itself, only the other. You can say that pantheism excludes the possibility of exclusivity, but you exclude the possibility of inclusivity. Its the same thing all around, see? Panthesim is exclusively inclusive. So, see, I agree! I guess you have to take it up with iceage. He still has a point...SOME philosophies/theologies are so broad that you can practice a subset religion within them,(pantheistic christians) others are very explicit as to what you can do. Pantheism is in a sense larger than christianity, but christianity is inclusive of many different paths as well. Now maybe you can see why the REAL theologians reasoned that the first mark of the true church is that it should be One...and why the Pope is pushing for unity.Edited by anastasia, : No reason given.Edited by anastasia, : No reason given.Edited by anastasia, : No reason given.

The only thing I see is quibbling over a definition. You do not like the words "exclusive" or "inclusive" and prefer to distort the message that people who use these words are trying to say.Instead lets say they are not exclusive nor inclusive but Do not dictate an absolute path to the afterlife. The people who follow such beliefs then choose their own path and do not believe that other paths are right or wrong; only different. To use jars analogy - they use their map, you use yours and both can lead to the same destination. Lets say we look at it from a different perspective for a minute. You see it as 1+1, maybe they see it as 1+9, 2+8, 3+7 etc. Who said anything about wrong? A different way to reach the end... ten! Where is the contradiction? This idea may not fit with how you feel is the correct path, because for you the path is through the bible/Jesus. They do not follow the bible, its really that simple. Now the problem arrises when folks like you cannot grasp that your math and their math are not the same. You see a contradiction that does not exist in their views. That is correct. Your views imposed upon other religions does not work. This narrow approach to understanding what is meant when a religion calls itself "inclusive" is a perfect example of your strikingly difference stance to what is actually implied.Christianity is the path to the afterlife, that is your stance.
Christianity is a path to the afterlife, that is their stance.
Thats what I have been taught anyhow

Theology does start with God. But looking at the map is not the same thing as entering the country. Did you not even read the clip I provided?It wasn't even a link... It was a pasted and copied snippet of a chapter for your convenience.I don't know what to say!

That's all you needed to say right there. Forget the rest...It not only admits to itself, but it understands itself as we would expect God to do. That is one of the things that distinguishes Him from us.It is consistent, and honest. It is plainly truthful!

You are still simply playing word games, rather pointless ones.Christianity is no more the Territory than Buddhism or Taoism or Pantheism.I read the clip over 50 years ago. As though it was of any value anyway, I am not discussing stuff with Lewis, but rather with you.

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What scottness is saying is that if they believe there are many ways to reach 10, they *exclude* the possibility that there is only one set of numbers in use...for example, only those saying 5+5 are actually making tens...the rest are somehow deluded.

I will, if you promise to read it first

No, the lack of sound logic proves invalidity. The conclusion is not based on reason.An irrational conclusion may still be true. Its likelihood has just not been demonstrated rationally.__

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ArcherAll species are transitional.

Well the point is, what they are trying to say is not what they are actually saying.The reason they have a hard time saying it, is for the same reason they would have a hard time explaining to me that 'they do not exist'. Because as soon as they say that, (no matter how they word it) my question arises; 'Who is making that claim?'You cannot say something that does not exist logically. You can dream, intend, and hope to find, but in the end you are deluding yourself. I don't mean to be cruel with the logic, but this is frightening to me that people are unaware of such obvious clarity.You tried valiantly to explain your position in defense of others, but in reality, you have said nothing. Please explain what is implied in terms that clearly show what is actually being said. Just say what you mean...Matthew 5:37 Simply let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No,' 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.