No Abiogenesis, no Evolution, then what?

Your god is constantly proving himself to be a god of paradox. He is uncreated... yet nothing comes from nothing? Everything has a beginning?Bah, I don't buy it.

Huh?
Don't buy what?God is the only uncreated thing, the only beginningless thing. He preexisted everything He has made by an eternity.

there is ample evidence that life exists everywhere and in every era we've examined.It's far more likely that Life has existed forever.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Uhh, in the beginning there was nothing. So, God, came from nothing. Abiogenesis.Basically we're down to just one solution.

God is not "bio" as in "abiogenesis." Only things and life were created. God is Spirit, uncreated, above it all. He didn't "come from" anything. He has always Been.

No, God is exactly human. He has a mouth, butt cheeks, an apendix. He has wisdom teeth which need to be removed. And, assuming he's male, he has superfluous nipples.After all, we created him in our image.

I agree with you there jar.I don't belive in infinite regression being illogical. I think that's an outdated aristotelian idea. I think, existence, something which god himself is dependant on, has been around in some form for ever.There was never a time of nothing and there was never a need for a "first cause" or "prime mover".

God's existence is contingent on existance. The state of existing. There was never a time where "nothing" existed.Your god is an unecessary entety, we don't need an "uncreated" thing. There is no eveidence that anything needed to be created in the first place. It's probably allways been here in one form or another.

There is Big Bang theory, which suggests that the universe came into being. I've always thought that, if anything, Big Bang theory suggested a God.

I disagreee. Big Bang only covers OUR universe, and dosn't deal with the question of existence at all. Existence must have pre-existed the universe. It's hard to explain, but existence itself is a necissary state, it must have allways been. There cannot be such a thing as non-existence.Further, as far as the big bang, there could have been dozens of universes. I once heard a physicist describe it as bubbles in a glass of champaign. Who's to say ours was the first/last/only universe?

I stand corrected... interesting.

There are 2 alternatives.1. the universe or some universe has always existed in some form.
2. something eternal created it.Big Bang suggests (does not prove) that the only universe we know about came into being.Your idea that there can be no such thing as "nothing," I think I agree with, without knowing why.

Think about it this way...Can you have something in proximity to nothing?can I have a little spot of nothing and set a glass next to it?You can't of cource, because then it would be something. It would have substance in order to have dimension. So there is either something, or nothing. I can see this as an option, but that eternal thing is contingent on existence. There is no all-powerfull, trancendent thing.

I don't know what this means.This message has been edited by robinrohan, 10-08-2005 10:21 AM

hard to explain... existance is what exerything is contingent on.existense as a state of being, a phenomenon. It an abstract, non-thinking, pre-requisit for reality.So, anything that is real, needs to exist. So, anything that exists, is contingent on that abstract state of being....Myabe someone else can help me put that into words If they get my drift that is.