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TruthisLaw
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Message 263 of 328 (124287)
07-13-2004 7:28 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by RAZD
03-25-2004 1:48 PM


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There is another problem with the ark that I have not seen addressed:
Clean fresh water for crew and animals.
All the water of the flood is salty to some extent (being a mixture of sea, lake, underground and rain water), and is filled with silt too (according to some versions anyway) -- NOT potable.
The rain only falls (consistently) for 40 d/n's and the ark floats for another 600 plus days before landing.
One of the leading problems to exploring the world in the age of sailing exploration was maintaining sufficient supply of fresh water.
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Your problem is based on the assumption that the water was NOT fresh on which Noah sailed. Yet creationist say the water was all fresh, before the time of flood. And so it is NO problem.

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TruthisLaw
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Message 265 of 328 (124359)
07-14-2004 1:16 AM


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Where did all the coral live if there was no salt water before the flood?
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All "living" coral you see today could have been easily created(grown back), in less then 3,500 years.
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There's no way that can be true and expect sea life to have survived the flood, or have even lived before it.
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Yet Sea life over a certian period of time could adopt to different type of water.
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Moreover, if you calculate the silt density of the water needed to deposit the geologic colummn based on 40 days precipitation plus the "fountains of the deep", you don't get fresh, potable water, you get some pretty thick mud.
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I don't see how you'd get mud, since the earth was not formed the way you see it now. In fact there is enough water in the oceans right now to cover the earth 8,000 feet deep if the surface of the earth were smooth.
It was only after the flood(so that water can clear) "Mountains rose and the valleys sank down" as it is stated in (Ps. 104:5-9)

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TruthisLaw
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Message 268 of 328 (124810)
07-15-2004 7:50 PM
Reply to: Message 266 by crashfrog
07-14-2004 1:31 AM


Sorry was out visiting my Grandma, didn't have time to give a fast reply, but here U GO!
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Hardly. The only way you can come to that conclusion is if you're making up coral growth rates out of whole cloth. Coral grows very slowly. There's simply no way that the coral reefs we have today could have grown in the past 3500 years.
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First off there is no possible way to date a Coral Reef, in total accuracy. Coral grows at different rates, depending on water temperature, oxygen level, amount of turbulence, and availability of food.
Did you know that the rate of coral growth can be nearly doubled by increasing the temperature by only five degrees Celsius?
At right conditions and taking EVERYTHING in consideration, everything could have grown back in less then 3500 years. Yet it had about 4400 years to do so.



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Moreover, what would the coral have grown from? Your fictional flood would have killed all the coral. The stuff doesn't grow from seeds, you know.
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1st off, it is NOT a fictional Story,
Theory ONE:
God replants the earth and/or protects the "Water World".
Theory TWO:
Coral polyps produce eggs which, after they are fertilized, float through the water until they settle on rocks to create new coral reefs. Great number of eggs are produced at one time! These eggs (Protected by God) float around till they find a fit environment (after the flood) in which they can flourish.



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If you're proposing that all current sea life adapted to salinity in 3500 years, you're proposing rates of macro-evolutionary change that even evolutionists wouldn't countenance. 3500 years isn't enough time to adapt to changing salinity, especially at the rates you're talking about.
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I never said it was 3500 years. Actually I believe it was more like "4400 years since the flood" It is NOT an macro-evolutionary change, I suggest you look that word up again. It's a micro-evolutionary change in which is a SMALL change occurs within a kind. Creationist called "Variation". Which doesn't require long period of time.
Today we now have fresh water crocodiles and salt water crocodiles that are different species but probably had a common ancestor.



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And there's a mile of geologic sediment over most of the Earth's surface. Divide a mile of dirt by 8,000 feet of water and tell me how clear that is. That's like taking one cubic foot of water and adding 5/8ths of a cubic foot of dirt. Would you
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Your assuming that a mile of the sediment was in the water at all time, at all places, and at every level of the water. Your also assuming that the dirt was not laid down till the very last second of the story. Yet that was very unlikely. Taking everything in consideration I don't see how you'd get mud.



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Also the thing you didn't cover was, if the seas weren't salty when Noah sailed his Ark, when did they get salty? If it didn't happen at flood time or soon after, you have even less time for sea species to acclimate to the new salinity, making you even more of a super-evolutionist.
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Theory ONE:
The entire world was largely fresh water. Today about 30% of the rain water washes into the oceans, bringing mineral salts with it. The oceans are getting saltier every day. Today's oceans are about 3.6% salt. Between the salts washing in from ground water and the salts leaching in from subterranean salt domes, the oceans could have gone from fresh water to 3.6% in the 4400 years since the flood. Animals have been adapting to the slow increase in salinity over the last 4400 years.
Theory TWO:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/...ea/AnswersBook/fish14.asp
This message has been edited by TruthisLaw, 07-15-2004 07:07 PM

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TruthisLaw
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Message 269 of 328 (124811)
07-15-2004 8:01 PM
Reply to: Message 267 by jar
07-14-2004 2:02 AM


Re: We're wandering OT
To Jar:
The article is based on a assumption that the core which they drilled is "ancient coral" now dead. Yet that is just one interpretation of the data.
I don't see why this so-called core couldn't have been "catastrophic deposits" laid down by the flood!
This message has been edited by TruthisLaw, 07-15-2004 07:05 PM

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TruthisLaw
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Message 272 of 328 (124821)
07-15-2004 8:44 PM


When you ask someone to explain the flood(act of God), without using "GOD."
It is the same thing as asking one to explain computers(act of men), without using "men."
AND THAT IS ABSURD!


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Then supply an detailed alternative explanation. You will have to account for the nature of coral growth.
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Once I re-review my facts on Coral, I will supply an explanation, later.
This message has been edited by TruthisLaw, 07-15-2004 07:48 PM

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TruthisLaw
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Message 274 of 328 (124824)
07-15-2004 8:53 PM
Reply to: Message 273 by jar
07-15-2004 8:48 PM


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No, that is science.
If you want to bring God in then any of us can also bring in the All Powerfull Invisible Pink Unicorn that, as everyone knows, can perform miracles.
If you want to bring in magic then everyone else gets to use magic.
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Science is the Study of God Created Universe. I don't want to get off-subject, so I'll leave it at that.

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