The Evolution of God (Before Genesis 1:1)

I propose to explain the beginning of God in the following theories.1.No Beginning theory. Here is logical statement:
Premise (P1): Energy--e.g electrical, nuclear, etc--has no beginning, these have always existed(according to Science).P2: Energy is another word for spirit ( or active force) in the Bible ( e.g Is 40:26, Gen 1:2 .) God is spirit as opposed to a physical being.Conclusion: Therefore God has no beginning--just like all forms of energy.2.The Evolution of God. In the beginning”when there was no time yet-- there were only all kinds of energy or forces. To name a few: electrical, magnetic, radio wave, x-rays, etc. Then by chance, these energies synthesized into a functional “mass of energy”. This “mass of energy” gradually EVOLVED until it had developed superior intelligence and was “personified”. Having developed this super intelligence and personification, He then created everything else in the universe.Here is further elaboration on theory #2.
Scientists have attempted to trace life from the simple ( e.g one cell organism) to the more complex form. Why not start the other way around from the complex to the simple? This theory could have parallel--though a bit more complex--in the formation of complex black holes. Simple definition by Wikipedia says:"A black hole is a region of space in which the gravitational field is so powerful that nothing can escape after having fallen past the event horizon. The name comes from the fact that even electromagnetic radiation (e.g. light) is unable to escape, rendering the interior invisible. However, black holes can be detected if they interact with matter outside the event horizon, for example by drawing in gas from an orbiting star. The gas spirals inward, heating up to very high temperatures and emitting large amounts of radiation in the process."Why not a gravitational field so powerful that it absorbed all forces (e.g light, electromagnetic radiation, etc) but instead of a simply "holding" these forces this body gradually developed "intelligence", and "personification". "It" EVOLVED into a "He". Instead of merely "holding" these forces he can "project", "process", "synthesize" these to create all things seen and unseen.While black holes can be detected if they interact with matter outside the event horizon, this "HE" can not be easily detected except by indirect inference through his creation.Definition of Terms:God means the Supreme Creator. According to the above 2 theories God alone EVOLVED the rest were created by Him. How did he create the rest ? Some by direct creation, some he allowed to evolve (in lesser degree) based on his previous creations.Spirit = energy = active force according to Gen 1:2; Isaiah 40:26Energy has many forms like electrical, magnetic, nuclear, radio waves, sound waves, etc.Evolution is slow change that could result in an evolved object, body, or being that has function, self-regulation, built in systems, etc.Personification means those qualities found in a person like capacity to experience all range of emotions like love, justice, mercy, anger, etc.Creation is similar to an output which resulted from this formula
Input + process = output. Edited by Great J, : clarity

Hi,
Its between science and religion. Perhaps on Miscellaneous topic?Great J

I suppose no. 1 is based on logic. No. 2 is based on hypothesis.

Hi, thanks for the question.# 1 theory would be based on logic:
P1: Energy--e.g electrical, nuclear, etc--has no beginning, these have always been in existing (according to Science)
P2: Energy is another word for spirit ( or active) in the Bible ( e.g Is 40:26, Gen 1:2 ) God is spirit as opposed to a physical being.
Conclusion: Therefore God has no beginning--just like all forms of energy.#2 theory. Scientists have attempted to trace life from the simple ( e.g one cell organism) to the more complex form. Why not start the other way around from the complex to the simple? By analogy, lets briefly discuss nature of blackholes. Simple definition by Wikipedia says:"A black hole is a region of space in which the gravitational field is so powerful that nothing can escape after having fallen past the event horizon. The name comes from the fact that even electromagnetic radiation (e.g. light) is unable to escape, rendering the interior invisible. However, black holes can be detected if they interact with matter outside the event horizon, for example by drawing in gas from an orbiting star. The gas spirals inward, heating up to very high temperatures and emitting large amounts of radiation in the process."Why not a gravitational field so powerful that it aborbed all forces (e.g light, electromagnetic radiation,etc) but instead of a simple "hold" on these forces this entity gradually developed "intelligence", and "personification". "It" EVOLVED into a "He". Intead of merely "holding" these forces he can "project", "process", "sythesize" these to create all things seen and unseen.While blackholes can be detected if they interact with matter outside the event horizon--this "HE" can not easily detected except by indirect inference in that there are "intelligently processed or sythesize sytems" in the universe both living and not living.Why not? Why put "blinders" on man's search. Again instead of simple to complex. Start with complex to simple.

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What is OP again? How do I incorporate this into my OP> Sorry I've been infrequentEdited by Great J, : more clarity

Ps hold on to the posting. I guess its better in "Social & Religious Issues".thanks

I'm done. Ps post to Social / Religious issues.

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No, actually the Bb.

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What is BB? sorry quite new.

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Ah, no, energy is not another word for spirit.

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Sorry, but i think in most bibles the word "ruach" (hebrew or greek word--not sure) or spirit has been translated also as "power". If you accept that "power" and "energy" are same, then it could make sense.

My reference is Bible in Today's English, 1966 (?)Catholic edition. Genesis 1:1,says, in the beginning...the earth was desolate...the raging ocean that covered everything was engulfed in total darkness, and the POWER of God was moving over the water. ( Footnote reads the POWER of God, or the SPIRIT of God, or awesome wind ).You may not agree, but the bible says that SPIRIT = POWER. I think it may help if we mentally picture a "man"--that instead of being made of flesh and blood--is made up of electrical, nuclear, and all forms of power ( or energies). He is alive,has will, and can use these powers in any way he wants.Edited by Great J, : No reason given.

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If you are then saying Power = God then you have reduced god to nothing but another force like electricity for man to use and control.

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Not just another force. I think I have conveyed the idea of God--unlike men made of flesh and blood--evolved from all sorts of energy. "It" evolved into a "he". He can use all these powers to his will. His will is independent with that of men.

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Power is not energy. Rather, it is the rate of energy use (or production). The scientific meaning of "power" is different from the common language meaning of "power". You seem to be confusing the two.

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This is why I requested this topic not to be posted in the science forum. Is the idea of electrical energy = electrical power not understandable to you? What about solar power = solar energy? In the minds of many God is not science, and the Bible is not a science book. Do you agree?Edited by Great J, : No reason given.

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Then God is not the Power and so your assertion is falsified

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Sorry, I failed to get your point.

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A murderer uses energy when he shoots his victims. A robber uses energy to power his getaway car. It seems to me that your thesis makes God an accomplice to all crimes. I would have thought that blasphemous.

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A tinsmith makes knives. Murderers use knife to kill. Therefore, a tinsmith is accomplice to the crime?

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If God is using the various forces then God is NOT the various forces.

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Why should that be exclusive and not inclusive?

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If we can explain the various forces without resorting to God then there is no need for inserting God.

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Why should there be "blinders" or "blinkers"? In the 60s to 70s--not sure of the time frame--the atoms were considered as the smallest particle. Then whoaa! Different kinds of sub-atomic particles.

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If we can explain what is seen through natural means then there is no need to insert God.

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Why only "natural means"? I thought "nature" could be improved.

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In science, if something cannot be explained, the answer is "That can not be explained yet", not "GodDidIt."

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The key words are "that can not be explained yet". Is it possible then that the nature of God could later on be explained by science--starting from the "theory", "hypothesis", "guess" of this humble post?

Let us go back to your previous post:

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A murderer uses energy when he shoots his victims. A robber uses energy to power his getaway car.

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Do you agree that the energy in your previous quote was not participant of the crime but was misused / abused by the criminal?And, your later post:

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If God is energy, as you claim, then God is a participant in the crime.

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Are you saying that God being energy and without his own free will participated in the crime? Or do you get the idea that God being made up of energy--as opposed to flesh and blood--and being able to give that energy, allows men to misuse HIS energy?