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Author | Topic: Why prefer the Biblical creation account over those of other religions? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
jar Member (Idle past 417 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
It's unlikely Moses or Aaron ever lived and the Exodus saga was written to be a serial like the weekly Mack Sennett comedies at the movies and today's soap operas. Each segment ended with a cliffhanger so that the story teller got to spend the night and fed the next day. No one minded that the God described in the story was evil and downright nasty because they understood it was a fable.
BUT, that has nothing to do with the fact that there is no Biblical creation myth, rather there are several mutually exclusive myths and they are all factually wrong. And that is true of both secularists and theists, particularly the vast majority of Christian churches. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 417 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
archaeologist writes: Nij writes: that your entire religion is based on a book with only tangential connection to history, and largely full of myth; first off, you cannot prove it to be a myth, you just want it to be one. people have been saying this for millenia and not one of them has ever produce the evidence that demonstrates that false accusation as fact. if it were a myth, then there would be real evidence and we would not be having this discussion. Once again you post untruths. You have been given evidence that absolutely show that the Biblical Flood is nothing but a myth yet you simply deny the truth and repeat falsehoods.
archaeologist writes: Nij writes: that when those myths are tested by rational people including a huge number of people who believe the same book just as much as you do they are invariably found to be untrue regardless of what prejudice may have been involved;
how can you test historical events? they are gone, done, over with? any event repeating those events today are false for they are not the true events and lack the orignal conditions toproduce them thus any finding against them would be false. You can't really be that stupid. Of course historical events can be tested. Are you alive? If so your very existence is conclusive evidence of a historical even, in fact of many historical events. Your existence shows with a high degree of confidence (unless there is a bastard in your lineage) that your great great great great grandfathers screwed your great great great great grandmothers. Granted there is the possibility that one or more, maybe even all of the grandmothers got knocked up by someone who was not their husband but we can say with a VERY high degree of confidence that at the very last, each of those grandmothers got laid. Historical events leave evidence. If either of the Biblical Flood myths were true, all living humans, all the land animals and all the birds as well as all plants growing on land would show evidence in their genes of that event, a bottleneck signature. The signature is not there. The Flood is refuted. We will continue going over this until you understand that the Biblical Flood never happened. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 417 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
archaeologist writes: NOW in answer to the thread question: we prefer the Biblical account over other religion's simply because it is the truth. And where is the evidence that it is the truth? How do you explain the fact that the order of creation in the different stories is contradictory, the methods are different and even the gods described are different? AbE:
archaeologist writes: they lie about the flood and other biblical events as being discredited or proven wrong and close their minds to the truth so it becmes pointless to discuss here with anyone, even theminute few good posters as the discussion is often interuppted by the moronic who just do not have a clue. Exactly where is there an example of lying about the Flood or other Biblical events? Are you making the claim that one of the versions of the flood story found in Genesis is factual? If so, is it the tale in Genesis 6 or the tale in Genesis 7?
archaeologist writes: all other accounts are distorted copies fromthe biblical ones and reflect the religious mindset of the people who created them as they drew further and further away from God and the truth as led by satan and his minions. And where is your evidence that supports that assertion? How do you explain away the fact that there are creation myths that are even older than the Biblical creation myths? Edited by jar, : Finish the reply. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 417 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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1. It is the only account which has fulfilled prophecy; a lot of it. I assume you can provide evidence to support that assertion?
2. Cultures who have followed the Biblical principles have been the most prosperous, blessed and free. That is supportive evidence that the Jehovah, the god of the Bible is the only true god. I assume you can provide evidence to support that assertion?
3. The Biblical account is by and large the only one that has the historical record from creation though out world history to the Christian era/dispensation. The others simply have the isolated distorted versions of the real thing. I assume you can provide evidence to support that assertion?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 417 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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So no evidence or even links to where you claim to have provided such evidence.
Okay. So without any evidence is there some reason to think any of the different Biblical Creation myths over the much older Hindu Creation Myths?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 417 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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That's not a problem because he could provide links to those places where he posted such evidence in the past.
The question though is why not prefer much earlier and less contradictory myths?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 417 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
chuck writes: The point is what makes the Biblical account of creation the true story over others? Well, I know first hand it's true from my own experience. I can offer my testiomonies and God working in my own life. Since the OP says you cannot use the Bible it's a bit restricted as our faith is based on what the Bible says. A couple question. Since we know from direct evidence that the Biblical Creation Stories are factually wrong, for example in the order of things created, what possible personal experiences could refute direct evidence?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 417 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Are you making too broad a claim there?
Do you mean that parts might be based on earlier mythos?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 417 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
DubyaDeeEm writes: It was given directly by God and comes from the same sources both the Catholic church (which at one time was untainted and possessed and proclaimed the true message) and the Jews (who also at one time possessed and proclaimed uniquely the true message) got it. From the Scriptures. Uh, so many errors all bunched up together. If the Old Testament Creation myths were dictated by God, then God must have been senile since he presented two different, mutually exclusive and factually incorrect accounts. Second, scripture only means inspired writings, the term Bible and Scripture are not synonymous. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 417 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
You can make such claims but anyone that honestly reads the stories understands that there are two different tales, and that they are factually wrong.
The fact that you use the words as being synonymous simply shows a lack of education. That's a problem and can be cured. It's likely that you don't even know that there is no such thing as "The Bible", not even one list of what books should be included in a Bible. And guess what, there are many sacred Christian writings that are not included in any of the different Canons. The problem is that in the CCoI, people are simply not taught any of teh facts or history of Christianity. Edited by jar, : change subtitle Edited by jar, : Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 417 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Do you not think that the fact that the two distinct and mutually exclusive Biblical Creation myths are in addition factually incorrect would not be a reason that should be considered when determining if you prefer the Biblical creation account over those of other religions?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 417 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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I can understand why that might be the right position to argue.
Myths are like maps, and while a map does try to represent reality it may well have errors. If one map has fewer errors than another map, or is more accurate in one area while another map is more accurate in a different area, then it is reasonable to choose the more accurate one in any given situation.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 417 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
But even the procedure that you mention is a step by step decision making process. The first step I would think would be to look at the initial set mentioned, the Biblical creation stories.
I imagine that by now you are familiar with my oft repeated discussion about why the people creating the Judaic and Christian Canons included two mutually exclusive creation myths and even place the younger more recent of the stories first. If we couch the analysis of the Biblical creation stories in those terms then it is possible to show some value, but even there it provides no basis for preferring the Biblical stories over all the other such stories and is also totally unrelated to the subject of creation itself.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 417 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
That is not something common to the Judaic beliefs or to many Christian beliefs.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 417 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Well, this has nothing to do with the topic but yes, original sin as taught in much of Christianity is simply bullshit without a real biblical foundation based on taking a couple quotes out of context.
Be glad to discuss it but not in this thread.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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