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Topic: Why prefer the Biblical creation account over those of other religions?
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Dr Adequate
Member (Idle past 306 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: 07-20-2006
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Creation Myths
There are some examples here. Teach the controversy, that's what I say. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Message 45 of 146 (632172)
09-06-2011 7:21 AM
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Reply to: Message 43 by Chuck77
09-06-2011 5:41 AM
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Re: And God said
Darwin or the TOE? I think science has moved way past Darwin. One thing that was a problem was the fossil record.(according to Stephen J gould). Enter, Punctuated equilibrium. It's SUCH a stretch to consider it, as much as it is for the world to be repopulated by Noah and his family that Evolutionist disagree with BUT PE is OK apperantly but not Noah. Before you start being wrong about Stephen Jay Gould and punctuated equilibrium, a search of these forums might be useful.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 89 of 146 (632608)
09-08-2011 11:21 PM
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Reply to: Message 71 by Chuck77
09-08-2011 5:29 AM
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Re: really? really? steal from the bible? really?
I glanced at it yes. Do I have to address everyone? The OP is talking about religions (i.e hinduism etc.) not what the bushman in the congo believe. There are no Bushmen in the Congo, unless they're lost, and how is the worship of Kaang not a religion? He's a perfectly respectable god, he's done all the usual god stuff --- created the world, rose from the dead, committed genocide in a fit of pique, lives in the sky, what have you got against him?
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Dr Adequate
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Message 96 of 146 (632631)
09-09-2011 5:16 AM
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Reply to: Message 95 by Chuck77
09-09-2011 4:49 AM
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Re: Jesus holding things together
Jesus is that "strong force" IMO. Does this hypothesis have the same predictive power as quantum chromodynamics? Is the behavior of Jesus described by the QCD Lagrangian? If not, why not?
It's a good theory isn't it? It is neither good nor a theory. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 97 of 146 (632634)
09-09-2011 5:34 AM
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Reply to: Message 94 by Chuck77
09-09-2011 4:21 AM
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Re: Who really rose again?
Well, The God of the Bible says He Created the mantis and caterpillar. Why is this guy/god taking credit? Because Kaang actually did create the mantis and the caterpillar, as any devout Kaangist could tell you.
Even if I wasn't a Christian I would give more validity to the latter ... Well, that's what you think you'd think if you were to think something other than what you think. But how would you know?
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Dr Adequate
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Message 103 of 146 (632673)
09-09-2011 11:03 AM
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Reply to: Message 102 by Theodoric
09-09-2011 8:44 AM
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A Sad Case Of Plagiarism
You are seriously going to stick with you comment that most religions steal their creation myths from the bible? Well the Jews definitely did; in fact, most of their religion seems to be a straight steal from Christianity. If you look at the Torah, it's painfully obvious that they've just taken the first five books of the Bible and translated it from the original English into Hebrew.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 106 of 146 (632752)
09-09-2011 8:26 PM
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Reply to: Message 105 by Buzsaw
09-09-2011 7:57 PM
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Re: Adequate's Puzzlng Point
Say what? Torah preceded by NT Christianity, Levitical law and all, when, in fact Jesus and the apostles advocated none of it for the Christian dispensation? I was being sarcastic. My point was that it's strange to allege that other religions stole their cosmogony from Christianity when we know that as a matter of historical fact Christians stole it from the Jews.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 109 of 146 (632761)
09-09-2011 11:03 PM
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Reply to: Message 107 by Buzsaw
09-09-2011 9:00 PM
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Re: Adequate's Puzzling Point
Nothing was stolen from anybody, Dr Adequate. When you delve into serious Biblical study, you soon learn that the NT baptism of God's Holy Spirit into the very bodies of believers who have received Jesus as lord and savior, i.e. the born againers, i.e. the true christian church at large, you come to understand that the OT Levitical Law was eliminated and the dispensation of grace via Jesus, becoming he sacrificial lamb, the mediator/priest and the bodies of Holy Spirit indwelt replacing the temple. The law of grace replaced the rigid OT law of punishment etc. And a Muslim or a Mormon could come up with a similar line of apologetics to explain how their new religions assimilated the OT and the NT. But as a plain matter of fact Judaism remains the first and original religion to have the OT. They thought of it, they wrote it, it's theirs.
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Dr Adequate
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Re: Adequate's Puzzling Point
Aux Contraire, Mon Frere. God dictated it to them, they wrote it, it belongs to everyone (not just them), to the Jew first and then the Gentile, til it has been preached around the whole world, and then the end will come. And those who have embraced and obeyed it, it is THEIRS. Those who refuse to obey it will have no part in it or the rewards for the belief in and obedience to said message, but will go to the place God has designed as the final dumping ground for all sin and all evil, and they will be there forever, with their dark eternal reward. Theology apart, it is in origin a Jewish creation myth. If you don't class adopting it as "stealing" then you should have a word with the guy who said it was.
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Dr Adequate
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Re: Mispoke and recant my comments
I disagree. He isn't throwing them out of Christianity - they were never IN "orthodox Christianity." The above sects claim to be Christian, but they all owe their origins to founders who took the Bible message (many centuries after it was delivered to the Church) and twisted parts of it, added in their own false doctrines (doctrines which go contrary to what the Bible plainly teaches, and by and large the doctrines added are designed to prevent one from understanding the true message of salvation given plainly and freely in the Bible), and went from there. And of course this is what they would say about you. In some cases with more justification --- why do most Christian sects keep Sundays holy instead of the Sabbath? The Seventh Day Adventists have got you bang to rights on that one.
This would be a little bit like someone 100 years after Henry Ford invented the automobile adding a new kind of brake pedal to the car and then claiming that THEY invented the automobile. They had nothing to do with the original article and came along centuries later, and now pretend to have the original article. Or like someone adding the Son and the Holy Ghost to Judaism and then claiming the OT as Christian.
If Chuck is doing what he believes God is calling him to do, that is exactly what he should be doing. Lots of people believe that they're doing what God is calling them to do, and they can't all be right. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate
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Re: Mispoke and recant my comments
No, they are not mutually exclusive. They are two different accounts with two different purposes. The first one gives the actual order of creation, the second one explains what God's planning and reasoning. And gives a different order of creation.
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Re: Judeo/Christian Creation Stories
Erm...what? Are you saying that sin is not the primary reason jesus came to earth? Are you saying that sin was not borne out of eve being tricked by a talking snake? By her eating an apple? I know some of you get really in depth with the bible, but some of the basic tenets of xianity are...wel, basic. That being one of them. Unless you are thinking of a different religion? Or have I been sorely misinformed? From a soteriological point of view, the important thing would be that we are sinful and in need of a redeemer; it doesn't matter if the bit with the fruit and the snake is a metaphor or even just a goddamn lie. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate
Member (Idle past 306 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: 07-20-2006
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Genesis 2
Not really. The order isn't being given. It's already understood the exact order, given in painstaking detail, has already been imparted to the reader. In chapter 2 he goes back and forth and clearly order isn't what is being communicated, and isn't meant to be. But it does give an order. It's quite explicit about doing so:
Now no shrub had yet appeared on the earth and no plant had yet sprung up, for the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no one to work the ground, but streams came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground. Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being. This isn't exactly obscure, is it?
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Dr Adequate
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Re: Sky Woman vs Adam and Eve
(this sounds very similar to Mohammed's explanation [in the Quran] of what "holds up the earth" (elephants standing on turtles' backs, etc)) As I have pointed out before, you made this up.
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