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Author Topic:   Why prefer the Biblical creation account over those of other religions?
Nij
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Message 27 of 146 (575752)
08-20-2010 11:03 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by archaeologist
08-20-2010 5:10 PM


Tu quoque (one that isn't fallacious)
you people never even consider the fact ...
And you people never seem to consider the facts
  • that your entire religion is based on a book with only tangential connection to history, and largely full of myth;
  • that when those myths are tested by rational people including a huge number of people who believe the same book just as much as you do they are invariably found to be untrue regardless of what prejudice may have been involved;
  • that when presented with these findings, your first response is to judge and exhort everybody for bias, dishonesty and "being tricked by Satan" in spite of your precious book telling you not to do these things; and
  • without ever presenting your evidence beyond "Bible says this" to reject any of the data provided.
    one chooses the biblical accounts over all the rest because it is the only true ones out there
    No, they do so because Loki thoroughly enjoys playing tricks on people and messing with their heads. It is his official job, after all, and he has been practising for centuries to get that good at it.
    Now, got evidence to invalidate that (beyond your faith, because that's predictable enough as to be boring)? Didn't think so. Me, I'll stick with you being irrational and inconsistent.

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    Nij
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    Message 28 of 146 (575753)
    08-20-2010 11:04 PM


    To everybody else...
    Why is the troll still being fed?

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    Nij
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    Message 30 of 146 (575803)
    08-21-2010 4:34 AM
    Reply to: Message 29 by archaeologist
    08-21-2010 3:26 AM


    Re: Tu quoque (one that isn't fallacious)
    Constant repetition of claims known to be both false and aggravating? Ignoring the rules of every kind because "your truth is above secular science's rules"? Being unable to concede a point where you are obviously incorrect? No attempt to make real argument, just the aforementioned claims, ad hominem attacks and blatant proselytizing?
    Yep, troll.
    My needs involve being told the truth from someone who can demonstrate it is what they say it to be. Not from someone who can't consistently defend their own position using something outside their particular fantasy.
    There is ample evidence of those myths being just that: myths.
    Noah's ark/Teh Fludde, Exodus, young-earthism, Jeebus himself...
    FFS, did you even read the threads of this forum before posting on it? You might want to try them. Unless of course, "secular science" - by which you obviously mean "observable reality" - is still a problem for you.
    Accusing people of falsehoods, while providing an overwhelming lack of any reasonable support of such claims, is against the rules. Calling people followers of Satan or to imply we deliberately ignore anything we don't like. Doing both of these yourself (numerous examples all on this forum). I'm fairly sure the Bible says something about bearing false witness and loving enemies more than yourself...
    Historical events are tested by the evidence they leave behind and how well it lines up with multiple records. Given your allergy to science, however, I can see why the concept of evidence is a problem for you.
    Conditions can be replicated. You know, this being the same universe as existed 1, 100, 10000 years ago. That's how stuff works.
    You have presented no evidence in support of your statements when personally attacking anybody nor when trying to generally make your point. All of the "evidence" you tried was shot full of holes quicker than a target at the Olympics.
    What's more irrational: believing in a book written centuries ago by a simplistic desert tribe to justify their acts, or accepting the evidence for a basic observation in modern biology, one that can be tested in the most basic laboratories, and which makes no claim to cover something it does not attempt to explain? Yeah, about that.
    You could have saved a lot of posts from everyone if you'd merely shown up on each thread, posted "I'm a true believer, wrapped in my cuddly The Truth™ blanket, I think you lie about everything" and then left the more sensible people on this site to discuss things seriously.
    Don't bother replying without some new valid facts on your side; I'm likely to ignore any further preaching and harrasment. I suggest everybody else does the same.

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    Nij
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    Message 34 of 146 (576479)
    08-24-2010 8:42 AM
    Reply to: Message 33 by archaeologist
    08-24-2010 4:41 AM


    Re: To everybody else...
    there is no reason to hang out in this forum or website to long. the secularists are very dishonest, think they are an authority when they are not, and practice deceitful discussion tactics.
    The entire point of these fora is to "understand through discussion". That normally involves actually presenting evidence and not immediately shouting "liar!" when somebody shows that you are wrong. You either provide further evidence to rebut them, or you concede the point. You never do either.
    Secondly, a great proportion of the people on this site are or were professionals, professors, doctorates... Experts all, of the highest kind. They never claim to be authority of any kind, but they acknowledge the authority of reality from which they and thousands of other derive their work.
    Third, "deceitful debate tactics" are, in all objective honesty, the trademark of the creationist. Things like fake evidence, dodging the question, personal attack, bending the rules: much of what you do, in fact. Call this my "secular Satanist evolutionist denial" if you must, but just remember: you're the common denominator to all the problems surrounding you.
    they lie about the flood and other biblical events as being discredited or proven wrong and close their minds to the truth so it becmes pointless to discuss here with anyone, even the minute few good posters as the discussion is often interuppted by the moronic who just do not have a clue.
    Elsewhere I provided you with links directing to threads explicitly discussing the Genesis myths, Teh Fludde, the age of the earth and Jesus' existence. In all of these threads, overwhelming evidence is provided to suggest the Bible is not entirely right, if not entirely wrong.
    Further, as scientists these people are the most open-minded you could get. Their jobs depend on being open-minded, since at any time new evidence could emerge to completely alter any ideas they have. Not changing means getting left behind.
    So, if you had evidence, new reliable definitive evidence, you should have presented it in those threads. And yes, you would have been attacked, but that is how science works. An idea must be tested before it can be accepted. If your evidence fails, then you must provide more evidence or demonstrate that they are wrong about their rebuttal using more than "dishonest!" or "secular!" or "evil!".
    NOW in answer to the thread question: we prefer the Biblical account over other religion's simply because it is the truth. all other accounts are distorted copies fromthe biblical ones and reflect the religious mindset of the people who created them as they drew further and further away from God and the truth as led by satan and his minions.
    And here is your greatest problem: dogma. You firmly believe this so much that nothing could ever convince you of its wrongness. You blind yourself to the possibility of it being wrong, even before the question is asked.
    There are hundreds of other accounts, a huge number of which existed well before the creation accounts were written. The majority of the rest bear utterly zero resemblance to the Bible, and were developed in cultures that never knew the Bible existed until European expansionism - they can be in no way built off it, let alone distorted copies.
    Lastly, you have to demonstrate that it really is them being led by Satan and not you; for all you know, it is Satan wearing a mask of the god you worship; for all you know, the Bible was written by Satan; for all you know, Satan is the one true god. Just as different people have different opinions of other people, so too do they have different opinions about what is truth, and so do they have different things to place their faith in.
    Unfortunately, for whatever reason, you just can't grasp that notion: that you might indeed be wrong.
    On the other hand, it's something that everybody else here acknowledges and tries to fix by either being right or by changing their ideas so that they are.

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