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Author Topic:   Is the Global Flood Feasible? Discussion Q&A
Mister Pamboli
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Message 27 of 352 (1042)
12-20-2001 6:30 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by TrueCreation
12-20-2001 2:57 PM


Well TureCreation this is all very detailed and fascinating stuff. We've got comets and floating flowers and selective fossilization and all sorts of ingenious answers.
Strangely, none of them are in the Bible. We are told about the gopher wood, and day of the month on which the flood started, and how big the window was, and how old Noah was, and which birds he sent out to find land. I wonder why these details are important?
The disposition of the earth after the flood, the massive changes in the landscape, the tectonic shifts,
BTW, when the dove returned with the olive leaf, how did Noah know it was because "the waters were abated" and that she hadn't picked one up from one of those pieces of driftwood you're so keen on?
Of course, one could ask how the olivetree or any other vegetation survived, never mind how it was able to put forth leaf after 150 days underwater?
But its all good clean fun and do keep on answering.
Of course all these geological and biological issues are petty compared to the really big questions about the flood.
How could a God of love and pure goodness deliberately kill babies, young children, unborn children in the womb? Being all-powerful he presumably could have found some other way to deal with the problem of mans wickedness.
If he was eternal and unchanging how could he "repent" that he had made man? Changing your mind over what you have created is hardly a benchmark test of infallibility, omniscience or unchanging eternal nature.

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Mister Pamboli
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Posts: 634
From: Washington, USA
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Message 29 of 352 (1051)
12-20-2001 9:13 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by TrueCreation
12-20-2001 8:17 PM


quote:
Originally posted by TrueCreation:
God didn't 'repent' that he made man. It says that he was greived and had pain in his heart because he had made man. I would feel the same way, whether I knew exactly when, where, and how it would happen. This does not limit God or produce falliblity to the bible. God is love, and made a way for us, we deserve to die, but he doesn't want it that way, he has a plan.
Quick reply - sorry I am pressed for time. I'll come back to the point about the Bible being written for its time etc later, if I may.
Meanwhile ...
Genesis 6:6
New International Version
The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain
King James Version
And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
Revised Standard Version (my personal favourite OT)
And the LORD was sorry that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart.
Young's Literal Translation
and Jehovah repenteth that He hath made man in the earth, and He grieveth Himself -- unto His heart.
Louis Segond
L'ternel se repentit d'avoir fait l'homme sur la terre, et il fut afflig en son coeur
The Vulgate
paenituit eum quod hominem fecisset in terra et tactus dolore cordis intrinsecus
The implication of all of these is plain - the eternal unchanging God changed his mind.

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Mister Pamboli
Member (Idle past 7577 days)
Posts: 634
From: Washington, USA
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Message 31 of 352 (1055)
12-20-2001 11:09 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by TrueCreation
12-20-2001 10:15 PM


quote:
Originally posted by TrueCreation:
So how can an eternal unchanging God feel regret for what he brought about? Or change direction?
It is a wee bit inconsistent, surely? Maybe it's just figurative language?


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