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Author Topic:   Is the Global Flood Feasible? Discussion Q&A
Philip
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From: Albertville, AL, USA
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Message 270 of 352 (9557)
05-13-2002 1:29 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by TrueCreation
12-18-2001 5:51 PM


quote:
Originally posted by TrueCreation:
Post your questions on why you think the Flood could not have happend or could have happend and give reasons why.

The following are a cummulation of scientific reasons (not my own) supporting the 'biblical' hypothesis of the flood:
Evidences for the Flood (See 'Continents in Collision’: Lindsay, Dennis Gordon):
1) CULTURAL RECORDS: "Iraq, Sumerian, Aztecs of Central America, Hottentots of South Africa, Hawaiians, Chinese, 200 various flood accounts world-wide
agree on three things: (1) the existence of a vessel of safety; (2) destruction by water; and (3) the saving of human seed."
2) POPULATION GROWTH STATISTICS: The observable growth rate of human population on Planet Earth fits much more naturally in a Creation/Global Flood framework than an evolutionary concept of human history.
3) WORLDWIDE OCCURRENCE OF WATER-LAID SEDIMENTARY ROCK:
Approximately 75% of Earth’s crust is sedimentary rock, which is rock formed in and by water. The geological and fossil evidence reveals that the world was once inundated by physical forces with which modern man is not acquainted. A global Flood would have deposited huge amounts of sediment throughout the world.
4) MARINE FOSSILS ON CRESTS OF MOUNTAINS.
The highest mountain on Earth, Mt. Everest, along with the tops of every other mountain, contains rocks and fossils that were once under water. Marine fossils and salt clusters formed by sea water have been found atop Mt. Ararat. Such evidence harmonizes perfectly with the biblical account: a worldwide Flood which covered every mountain on the face of the Earth.
Fossilized marine life can be found on every mountaintop in the world
5) FORMATION OF FOSSILS.
Fossils are found all over the world; but by and large, these are not being formed today. Sudden death, sudden and instant burial and sudden pressureall at the same timeare required in order to form fossils. Otherwise, decay from oxygen and other elements block the process from occurring.
...A major flood would generally create a fossil order from the simple to the complex forms of life according to an animal’s habitat, mobility, and density. Hydrodynamic selectivity would then layer out the dense, less mobile marine beings (such as tiny creatures like the trilobites, crustaceans, mollusks, and echinoderms) in the cambrian rock (lowest layer of strata) more rapidly than less dense, more mobile ones.
Many fossil graveyards were jammed with every type of creature
they could be buried in a roughly predictable order by rising floodwaters
6) PILLOW LAVA
Pillow lava is molten rock which has been formed and cooled under water. It is marked by peculiar concentric circles. This type of lava is found on Mt. Ararat right up to the line of the ice-cap at 13,000 feet. Mt. Ararat, at one time, was under water.
7) OCEAN SALT CONTENT.
Foraminifera are tiny one-celled creatures which have the ability to record the temperature and salinity of the water in which they live. When they die, their shells maintain the record. Today, modern technology can decipher this record and has discovered that a dramatic decrease in the salinity of the sea once occurred. Only a flood on the scale of Noah’s could have accounted for such a change.
8) SUDDEN EXTINCTION OF DINOSAURS AND OTHER ANIMAL SPECIES
Many evolutionary scientists believe that a large cometary body, 7—15 miles in diameter, struck the Earth 65 million years ago. They believe this led to the extinction of the dinosaurs. This theory harmonizes well with some of the catastrophic circumstances associated with the Flood; however, evolutionists’ timing of the event is significantly astray.
9) ABSENCE OF METEORITES IN THE GEOLOGIC COLUMN
Thousands of asteroids and chunks of meteoric matter circle the sun, and many have plunged to the surface of the moon and the Earth. If the Earth is billions of years old, as evolutionists claim, where are the thousands of impacts one would expect to find in the geological layers of the Earth?
--No meteorites have ever been found in the geologic column, except in the top layer of strata.
10) COAL BEDS AND OIL DEPOSITS
the living things buried beneath the rapidly deposited sediments of the Flood some 4,500 years ago, and subjected to heat caused by the pressure and friction of the vast amount of sediment, could easily have produced today’s oil deposits around the world.
11) REDWOODS
The giant redwoods of California are a testimony to the universal Flood. These trees never die of old age. Why, then, are the oldest living specimens only about 3,500 years old?

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Philip
Member (Idle past 4750 days)
Posts: 656
From: Albertville, AL, USA
Joined: 03-10-2002


Message 272 of 352 (9559)
05-13-2002 2:45 AM
Reply to: Message 271 by Karl_but_not_THAT_Karl
05-13-2002 2:07 AM


quote:
Originally posted by Karl_but_not_THAT_Karl:

There are many other examples, do you wnat to hear about them?

Certainly Karl, but realize I am no expert in geology. I merely 'stumbled' into these 'evidences' which seem to support the creationist's hypothesis per se of the global flood (their creation/curse/restoration model) which greatly sooths my 'faith' in the biblical gospel.
Please don't expect me to debate much about the quotes I just gave, unless something seems really suspect, scientifically.
Thanks,
I look forward to your data observations.
--Phil

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Philip
Member (Idle past 4750 days)
Posts: 656
From: Albertville, AL, USA
Joined: 03-10-2002


Message 291 of 352 (9665)
05-15-2002 4:41 AM
Reply to: Message 290 by edge
05-14-2002 1:19 AM


The flood 'evidences' I posted (again) were from THE GENESIS FLOOD: CONTINENTS IN COLLISION by Dennis Gordon Lindsay 1992. I realize I am a layman in geology and many of these evidences are obsolete (10 years old), embarrassing, and/or need some serious reconstructing.
Moose, you truly know some meteors! Percy, your trees. But is your logic ‘bringing it home’
Can I say, you all sound about 50-70% convincing in your counter-arguments, most of which need to be re-iterated somewhat before I’m truly convinced.
Plate upheavals and their mechanisms are difficult for me to comprehend and concede to at present.
Many of you are getting real technical geologically, without explaining in layman’s terms.
Would you recommend a cite for global-flood evidences for geological idiots like myself (creationist or otherwise)?
Could you summarize some of your current global-flood evidences? TC, and/or others? (Fear not ToE believers; some ‘mutant-life believers’ do actually believe in ‘evidences’ of the flood, without compromising their hypotheses)
Could you summarize some of your no-flood evidences, Percy, Edge, Joz, Moose, Karl, and/or others, at some point in this discussion?

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Philip
Member (Idle past 4750 days)
Posts: 656
From: Albertville, AL, USA
Joined: 03-10-2002


Message 311 of 352 (9759)
05-16-2002 2:21 AM
Reply to: Message 303 by wj
05-16-2002 1:33 AM


quote:
Originally posted by wj:
...that homology and biogeography support the theory of evolution. Why such selective belief?

Because ‘homology and biogeography’ only supports an apriori mutant-life bias/motif(s), strong delusion for the macro-mutationalist. (This is not ‘good’ science)
quote:
Originally posted by wj:
Isn't any single solitary example of transition across families completely contrary to creationism? Philip (I think) argues elsewhere that the biblical "kinds" are families of animals.
--I argued (methinks) that the biblical ‘kinds’ are IC’s (not families in the evo-definition), and that any transition across ‘kinds’ via the ‘mutant’ mechanism(s) is impossible.
--Curious, why are there no more viable beneficial ‘mutants’, in higher life forms to be demonstrated (birds, cattle, beasts, man)?
--Humanity, too, has fortuitously reached its end in ‘beneficially mutating’, right? Any of you see otherwise? (Like Barry Setterfield’s supposed fortuitous 20th century stabilization of the speed of light)
--Sorry, but special (ID) creation seems more credible in the geological layers under a global ‘Flood’ YEC bias/model.
--Time constrains me presently.
--Moose, thank you for your references to both sides, and your gentle insights.
--TC’s diagram is provoking by both sides I see.
--I have noted all your responses, Joe’s vs. Tranquility’s (I’ll leave you two at it.)
--‘Till I’ve accrued more geological understanding and other ‘workable’ ‘evidences’ for the Flood,

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