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Author Topic:   Is the Global Flood Feasible? Discussion Q&A
gene90
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Message 117 of 352 (2231)
01-15-2002 11:40 PM
Reply to: Message 115 by Lorenzo7
01-15-2002 10:50 PM


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Please explain the shell fossils found high up in mountain ranges.
How about plate tectonics? The limestone found in the Himalaya mountains was laid down under a shallow ocean, and uplifted to form the mountains when the Indian sub-continent collided with Asia.
This should be basic reading in any elementary school science textbook. That Creationists repeat it systematically indicates a fundamental lack of science literacy, and I think it is fair of me to berate them on this point.
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The only thing that could have put them up there is alot of water.
Again you are making the assumption that the mountains pre-date the shells. Also, don't you suppose that "alot [sic] of water" would wear those mountains down until they had rounded tops? Or at the very least, leave deposits of frozen driftwood up there? Also note that water would leave extensive cross-bedding up there, and I'm not aware of any.
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But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say that someone put the fossils up there and buried them for others to find.
Hah hah.
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Please explain the uniform current shifts in the sediments found all around the world.
Excuse me. Perhaps you would like to provide a journal cite because I haven't heard of this. In fact, there is no universal marine sediment for this alleged "uniform current shift" to occur in.
We have a geologist here. Maybe your claims makes some sense to him.
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Please explain why dinosaurs don't exist anymore.
A large impact in the Yucatan Peninsula. It also deposited iridium, coesite, and microtektites into the K/T boundary. Floods, even global floods, don't do that.
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But I keep forgetting you guys don't believe in Noah and the ark carrying surviving animals.
Now you are apparently through contradicting science and are now contradicting your own religion. See Genesis 7:8. Everything that breathes air, including dinosaurs, were supposedly placed on this boat. So go find another possibility for their extinction.
Or, what would impress me more, would be if you found a dinosaur fossil with a spearpoint lodged in it...
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gene90
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Message 119 of 352 (2233)
01-15-2002 11:47 PM
Reply to: Message 116 by Lorenzo7
01-15-2002 11:02 PM


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No God cannot tempt.
Since you want to play Bible games, please explain the dialogue between God and Satan found in the Book of Job. It sounds to me like God intentionally "tempted" Satan to go tempt Job, simply because God needed to demonstrate something or feel superior.
Wait--that entire book could be an allegory or a parable. Except that Creationists don't seem to accept the possibility of the Bible not being literally true...
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gene90
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Message 120 of 352 (2236)
01-16-2002 12:11 AM
Reply to: Message 108 by TrueCreation
01-13-2002 2:26 PM


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And vapor would cool and possibly freeze by the time it gets anywhere near 10 miles into the atmosphere.
I wanted to point out a fact most people don't realize (partially for relevance, partially just because it's interesting), just as it requires heat to evaporate water, condensation releases heat. So even if water continued to condense as it was lifted into the atmosphere, if you continued to lift more water, the ambient temperature would become too warm to allow water to condense. Also, as the upper levels of the atmosphere became warmer, the more energy it would take from the surface to maintain convection--so simply boiling it might not do the trick. And I suspect, as Moose pointed out, that the rain would simply redeposit a significant quantity of heat on the surface.
I also don't think anyone has considered the implications that load of water vapor would have for the greenhouse effect (water vapor strongly absorbing IR), or the physiological effects that the increased air pressure might have upon Noah et. al. (nitrogen narcosis, etc).

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gene90
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Message 121 of 352 (2237)
01-16-2002 12:16 AM
Reply to: Message 118 by Minnemooseus
01-15-2002 11:46 PM


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Anyone want to buy a geology degree? Hasn't been used much, but doesn't seem to be of much value.
D'oh! Glad that I'm doubling with meteorology...

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gene90
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Message 125 of 352 (2251)
01-16-2002 8:42 AM
Reply to: Message 124 by Lorenzo7
01-16-2002 8:09 AM


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I have given you reasons why a Flood have occured.
No, you spit out a few easily explained "problems" in uniformitarian views.
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Your information about the plates pushing shells up into the mountains was probably written by an evolutionsist.
No, it is written in the rocks by curling and faulting.
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And also, no there were no dinosaurs on the ark.
Inconsistent.
Then explain why you believe the Bible is wrong on this small point, but correct in everything else.
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The Flood model gives EVIDENCE of a Flood.
No, that's not science. If the "flood model" were science, you would look at evidence first and base the "flood model" on that, if you could even substantiate a flood. The "flood model" itself is not evidence.
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Nature just gives evidence of one
What evidence. Also, above you claimed that the "flood model" was its own evidence.

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