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So Just How is ID's Supernatural-based Science Supposed to Work? (SUM. MESSAGES ONLY)

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ringo
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Message 39 of 396 (437982)
12-02-2007 10:45 AM 		Reply to: Message 33 by Beretta
12-02-2007 4:03 AM

Re: Well yes -what would we teach....???
Beretta writes:
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So are you saying that it is in fact a bird or do you say it is a feathered dinosaur, some kind of a missing link?
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Not "missing" any more, obviously. More like a link that once was lost but now is found - a prodigal link, as it were.
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“Faith moves mountains, but only knowledge moves them to the right place” -- Joseph Goebbels
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Message 106 of 396 (439471)
12-08-2007 9:42 PM 		Reply to: Message 105 by Buzsaw
12-08-2007 9:03 PM

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My message 91 offers one example of science supportive to the supernatural which secular science has ignored.
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But there's nothing there that's "supportive of the supernatural". Even if the chariot wheels (or whatever) were real, there's no need for a supernatural explanation. Moller could just as well be claiming a supernatural element in gravity or scotch tape.
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If you're going to explain how supernatural-based science can work, the God-did-it part can't be something that has a simple natural answer.
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Disclaimer: The above statement is without a doubt, the most LUDICROUS, IDIOTIC AND PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WILLFUL STUPIDITY, THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN OR HEARD.
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12-08-2007 11:15 PM 		Reply to: Message 108 by Buzsaw
12-08-2007 10:12 PM

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Oh, but there is supportive evidence....
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I didn't say there's no supportive evidence. I said the evidence isn't supportive of anything supernatural. A chariot fell in the water.
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Furthermore, anything supportive to the Biblical record implicates accountability to a higher power....
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No it doesn't. Anything supportive to the Biblical record of natural events only supports natural causes. The question remains: how do you and ID relate natural events to supernatural causes?
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How about exposing it all to the school kiddies as well as the universities who train the teachers etc and let the chips fall where they may?
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That's kinda what we're getting at here. What are you going to show the kiddies? "Here are some chariot wheels. God must have thrown them in the water?"
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Where's the science that connects the natural to the supernatural?
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Disclaimer: The above statement is without a doubt, the most LUDICROUS, IDIOTIC AND PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WILLFUL STUPIDITY, THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN OR HEARD.
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12-08-2007 11:42 PM 		Reply to: Message 112 by Buzsaw
12-08-2007 11:34 PM

Buzsaw writes:
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My point is that evidence like this supportive of higher intelligence/ID....
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My point is: How is any of that natural evidence supportive of a higher intelligence? If every footprint of the Exodus was found, if every castoff pot and pan was traced back to its original owner, if every moment of every day of the journey was documented in voluminous detiail, what does any of that have to do with anything supernatural?
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Disclaimer: The above statement is without a doubt, the most LUDICROUS, IDIOTIC AND PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WILLFUL STUPIDITY, THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN OR HEARD.
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12-10-2007 7:55 AM 		Reply to: Message 95 by Buzsaw
12-08-2007 6:38 PM

Re: Supernatural Not All That Mysterious
Am I the only one who sees the irony in that subtitle: "Supernatural Not All That Mysterious"? If it isn't mysterious, what's supernatural about it?
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Buzsaw writes:
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It must involve the sciences of archeology, exploration, physical observation and historical research etc. It may as well include mathmatical probabilities, statistics, geneology, verifiable prophecy fulfillment and such.
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All of that is very natural. No wonder it isn't mysterious.
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What you're not telling us is how you make the jump from natural observations to supernatural explanations.
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Disclaimer: The above statement is without a doubt, the most LUDICROUS, IDIOTIC AND PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WILLFUL STUPIDITY, THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN OR HEARD.
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