General discussion of moderation procedures - Part 7

http://EvC Forum: Has EvC changed your beliefs? -->EvC Forum: Has EvC changed your beliefs? 1. A Biblical fundamentalist is one who takes a more literal rendering of the scriptures. The fundamentalist is one who regards the fundamentals of anything as going by the book. Whether applying the word fundamental to the scriptures, an automobile manual, or a science textbook, et al, it means the same thing.2. Unfortunately, many secularists, in their minds, stereotype most of us who do hold to the fundamentals of scripture as deluded folks. That's fine. Many Biblical fundamentalists stereotype secularists as deluded.3. EvC is a debate board where the folks debate on who's really deluded, but there are Forum Guidelines to temper the action so as not to turn debate into all out war.4. I did not suspend you or even threaten to do so. I submitted a mild warning to the effect that having said plenty in the rest of the message to make your point, the satements above should have been kept to yourself. I did not critique the whole message by a long shot. I left you with plenty to make your point in a kinder gentler manner.5. It was not enough for you to call "it" i.e. stereotyped fundamentalist position (my emboldment)bankrupt. You went over the line, using words and phrases like unadulterated intellectual depravity .......hate .....racism ......discrimination .... human being could even attain without the assistance of some kind of disorder, (the latter implicating mentally impaired).6. The stereotyped Biblical fundamentalist position, as you put it is the position some members of this board hold to. Thus you are applying the words and phrases used in the above cited statements to members of this board with whose ideology you happen to disagree with.7. Likely had one of the Biblical fundamentalists described the stereotyped positions you and yours take on many debatable matters as you did, implicating insults on the members taking those positions they would have gotten more than a nice spirited warning.8. I say consider yourself mildly admonished, apply the constructive advice to future messages and move on to better stuff. Edited by AdminBuzsaw, : Edited to update message title

Jazzns, imo your message clearly implicated members of this board as mentally ill and all the rest. Don't ask admins to get into a public debate. I can discuss this in PAF with other admins and get back to you with a statement as to how it went in this thread.

Jazzns, the bulk of your message at large was not about Kent Hovind. That is a strawman. In the segment of your message which I cited, you used the pronoun it i.e. the stereotyped Biblical fundamentalist position Kent Hovind is not a position. Your poor choice of words used to describe the stereotyped fundamentalist position implicated members of this board holding those positions.We all are free to go at the positions of one another vigorously, but we can all do it in such a manner so as not to inflame as you have done. You're making a big fuss about a mild admonishment. I see no point in wasting more of our time and Admin's bandwidth on this. Let us discuss it in PAF and take up the matter after a cooling off here. If the concensus in PAF is to have another moderator make a judgement publically, you'll get that. Otherwise stand by until that is determined. Edited by AdminBuzsaw, : No reason given.Edited by AdminBuzsaw, : Go to Admin ID

1. It's better to "think about it" than to pound out the first thing that comes to mind without thought which is often the case. This is not a horse race. If substantial time has lapsed with no response, then a kindly reminder/request for a response is good.2. Don't forget that the minority here, especially one as active as Faith, often have a lot on the plate to think about and may need some space on occasion to think and research before proceeding.

1. According to my dictionary the primary definition is as follows. There are plenty of less meanspirited and inflamitory means of expressing one's frustration in the English language with the opponent than this word. 2. Sometimes this word is used to simply depict a stupid person. Nevertheless, if it is allowable in some cases and not others this leaves admins with this ongoing problem of fair judgement and leaves all members uncertain as to where the line is drawn, arguing about what they really meant when using it et al. Why not just eliminate the problem and use more respectable words to communicate? Abe: I was the moderator who gave the brief suspension. Edited by AdminBuzsaw, : No reason given.

Ray, it was Admin and not me who suspended you from coffee house. All I did was to give you a 12 hr needed sabatical. Now you can take a 24 hr break for your insulant attitude here. Next time expect that to at least double according to the magnitude of the offense.