General discussion of moderation procedures - Part 7

How about a 24 hour cooling off period. And maybe, during that cooling off, we will realize that we can all spend our time better debating the real issues.Edited by AdminNWR, : No reason given.

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The fact that you've tried two different - and wrong - "explanations" of a perfectly clear statement speaks for itself.You really would have done better to say that you didn't mean what you wrote. And to check it before telling others to "read it again".l

that is what he has experienced.
that's what thread is about

heh.. not sure what else needs to said here.. pot in a glass house throwing stones at a kettle while calling it black....

I know, but calling it his "experience" does not make it less insulting.

They were both honest and accurate. Truly, there is something seriously wrong with your ability to read. I wrote what I meant and what I explained I meant and it still reads the same to me and there is something wrong with you.

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there is something wrong with you.

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Well if you want to open that door - I've come to the conclusion that you suffer from serious mental problems. That's OK for me to say right?

This is the second call for a voluntary cooling off for this dispute.If people won't voluntarily cool it, I may provide some assistance.

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My reading's just fine. Anyone can read your post in context and see that I am correct.

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I wrote what I meant

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OK so you intentionally left out any suggestion that you were referring to a hypothetical. Or to fundamentalists in general rather than yourself.And since Asgara emphasised "YOU" you would have to be misreading her to think that she meant fundamentalists in general rather than you personally.But please carry on, you're doing more to dmaage the reputation of fundamentalists than Jazz's post ever could.

Sorry Buz I disagree.I specificaly said that I have discovered the bankruptcy of THE POSITION not the people. I mentioned no one and no one person has caused me to form that opinion.I do not feel I am breaking that rule because I am not arguing any person. I am arguing against the position of fundamentalism. It is my opinion that fundamentalism is negative in the ways I described in my post. People who are fundamentalist are free to consider my position of a theistic evolutionist a "compromise/sham/etc" I would not think that they are attacking me personally.If you want to suspend me I will appeal on those grounds.---------------------------------I wanted this to be here to formally protest AdminBuz's moderator action.

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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

Now THAT is attacking the person and not the position. Very explicitly you are calling me "without Christ", "Christ-hating", and "blind".Even in the depths of my loathing for fundamentalism I would never presume to call anyone who considers themselves a fundamentalist not a real Christian. Where you get off calling me a Christ-hater when I very explicitly stated that I am still a believer is really quite typical. The only thing I have to judge about the reponse to my post from those who have been offended in some way is that pretty much I was right.---------------------------------Also moved here to be on topic and to point out the IMO unbalanced moderation on that thread. No where did I attack a person. Iano specifically does.I don't particularly care if anything happens to iano. I just wanted to point out that the only people who are breaking the forum guidelines seem to be people who have problems with my post.

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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

http://EvC Forum: Has EvC changed your beliefs? -->EvC Forum: Has EvC changed your beliefs? 1. A Biblical fundamentalist is one who takes a more literal rendering of the scriptures. The fundamentalist is one who regards the fundamentals of anything as going by the book. Whether applying the word fundamental to the scriptures, an automobile manual, or a science textbook, et al, it means the same thing.2. Unfortunately, many secularists, in their minds, stereotype most of us who do hold to the fundamentals of scripture as deluded folks. That's fine. Many Biblical fundamentalists stereotype secularists as deluded.3. EvC is a debate board where the folks debate on who's really deluded, but there are Forum Guidelines to temper the action so as not to turn debate into all out war.4. I did not suspend you or even threaten to do so. I submitted a mild warning to the effect that having said plenty in the rest of the message to make your point, the satements above should have been kept to yourself. I did not critique the whole message by a long shot. I left you with plenty to make your point in a kinder gentler manner.5. It was not enough for you to call "it" i.e. stereotyped fundamentalist position (my emboldment)bankrupt. You went over the line, using words and phrases like unadulterated intellectual depravity .......hate .....racism ......discrimination .... human being could even attain without the assistance of some kind of disorder, (the latter implicating mentally impaired).6. The stereotyped Biblical fundamentalist position, as you put it is the position some members of this board hold to. Thus you are applying the words and phrases used in the above cited statements to members of this board with whose ideology you happen to disagree with.7. Likely had one of the Biblical fundamentalists described the stereotyped positions you and yours take on many debatable matters as you did, implicating insults on the members taking those positions they would have gotten more than a nice spirited warning.8. I say consider yourself mildly admonished, apply the constructive advice to future messages and move on to better stuff. Edited by AdminBuzsaw, : Edited to update message title

I would like an opinion of another non-biased moderator before I refrain from similarly voicing my opinion about fundamentalism in the future. I feel that it is perfectly valid to attack fundamentalism as a concept attributing to it whatever seems appropriate to me. I did not attack anyone. If anyone felt offended because they adhere to the same kind of fundamentalism that I was talking about then that is their fault for making that connection, not mine.I will not accept an admonishment however mild on this without further validation.Edited by Jazzns, : No reason given.

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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

I realize that the majority including some moderators do not see things as I do. As I understand it this is why we need some diversity in moderation so as for each side of the debates to be represented. I do not hold any animosity to any who do not see it as I do, but must administrate from my perspective until someone can show conclusively that I have erred in judgement.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW

Jazzns, imo your message clearly implicated members of this board as mentally ill and all the rest. Don't ask admins to get into a public debate. I can discuss this in PAF with other admins and get back to you with a statement as to how it went in this thread.