General discussion of moderation procedures: The Consequtive Consecution

I absolutely resoundingly second, support and endorse Buz's request. Jar's contributions to that thread are nothing but nuisance posts that have been answered dozens of times already.

We KNOW why he is asking the questions. Please see my last post on that thread.

HE HAS BEEN ANSWERED.

How true.

OK, as you say this isn't a debate thread but I apparently missed this comment in your earlier post and I have to agree with Buz that you are totally off the mark. EvC is full of oddball beliefs that people identify as Christian, but out in the real world the vast majority of Christians that I run into share MY beliefs. There is nothing narrow about them. I have to say that jar's beliefs are absolutely unique in my experience and I've done a lot of reading in Liberal Christian and all kinds of Christian cults. Where do you get the idea that he represents any sizeable number of supposed Christians? Arachnophilia appears to be a one-man theology unto himself. Perhaps he'll eventually gather a few followers and found a cult of his own.This message has been edited by Faith, 12-30-2005 04:17 PM

The remark about arachnophilia should have been modified to make the more on-topic point that, like jar, his views are far from representative of Christian belief, to the point of being unique, and yet he will take up huge amounts of thread space arguing and demanding answers to his completely offbeat point of view and persist no matter what you say in response. Moderation is needed in this case too.This message has been edited by Faith, 12-30-2005 04:43 PM

You received no "abuse." That IS a lie. I said that what you were doing was irrelevant and insinuating, and said that after Percy had nagged me to it, and that your post struck me as manipulative because you seemed to be pretending that I wouldn't know that healing is a major part of the Biblical message, and were treating the theme of sin as the cause of disease as my own mere opinion though it is plain as day in scripture. Really I have no idea what you were doing. Taking me to task about something or other that didn't belong there, that's all I know. I suspect that you thought you were saying something else but I can't read it any other way than I did so you'd have to clarify. I found your post to be extremely irritating and unrelated to anything I'd ever said as well as off topic for that particular instance. It still reads as some kind of weird accusation that doesn't deal with the topic in hand. And the way you dealt with me on some former threads didn't give me much hope for this one for starters.I'd think you could explain it better, but since now I'm merely "abusing" you by describing your post as it struck me, I doubt I'll ever find out.This message has been edited by Faith, 01-03-2006 03:59 PM

Tell you what. How about not conferring. It doesn't matter. There is no way this sort of thing ever gets sorted out properly. I'd rather that we both simply desist from ever saying another word to or about the other, and if you want to suspend me just because you feel like it, I'll accept that too.

You received no abuse. Apparently you believe you did. I believe your post was a longwinded "Do you still beat your wife" sort of unanswerable strawman accusation, but apparently you don't see it that way, so I have to assume that you just aren't getting something rather than intending to bait me. So I sincerely apologize for my irritability and impatience insofar as I aimed it at you. But it was directed more at Percy than at you anyway, since our exchange had managed to go reasonably well considering that your post didn't address anything I could relate to. In any case I should have taken more time to cool off before reacting to him too.

I think any discussion of this would take us right back to the disagreement on the thread itself. It's not personal. Apparently Trixie didn't intend to be baiting me or accusing me and I overreacted when Percy intervened. So I don't see anything to discuss, but thanks for the offer.

Where are your references? This time you are complaining about an ADMIN ACTION you ascribed to me. You didn't even notice the same Admin action on a Brennakimi post two or three posts later, or make the mistake of accusing HER of passive aggressiveness. Speaking of insults, how about your accusation of me for passive aggression in that case? You owe me an apology. As does Brennakimi for her rude remark about my not studying Calvinism enough when she was the one who got it wrong.This message has been edited by Faith, 01-05-2006 06:07 PM

Reasonable solution. Come on here and shout false accusations off topic, then refuse to apologize.http://EvC Forum: An amazing story -->EvC Forum: An amazing story

Another insulting post from JAR, which he does quite regularly with impunity, even in Admin Mode bringing shame to the title Admin. I've never seen JAR suspended but he's deserved it dozens of times in the last year.This message has been edited by Faith, 01-05-2006 06:35 PM

Trixie was bringing in her own objection to the Bible, but making it into an objection to me without admitting it is an objection to the Bible and in the process making all kinds of insinuating statements that appeared to be imputed to me personally, which represent not one thing I have ever said -- about how it must be wrong to pray for healing etc. This was very hard to answer because she was presenting it as if it were MY position, which it certainly is not -- healing is a BIG part of the Bible -- and it was very hard to figure out what on earth she was carrying on about, and making it sound like it somehow represented ME. {ABE: And since it IS such a big part of the Bible the whole complaint about how Well it must be wrong to pray for healing then and so on was just crazy talk I couldn't sort out.} AND it was OFF TOPIC because I had done nothing but offer a citation to the Bible's statements about the connection between sin and disease. I wish I had stayed cooler but I found her thicket of strange insinuations difficult enough to deal with, and then along comes Percy taking her side and that made it all the harder to deal with.{ABE: And THIS post of mine is also garbled. There is just something crazy-making about what Trixie was doing whether she intended to or not, that is hard to sort out, especially with all the usual accusations flying at me.Yes, the Bible connects sin and disease.
Yes, because the Bible connects sin and disease, I personally believe there is that connection. I didn't make it up, it's there. I don't see how it can be interpreted to say anything else.Also, the Bible promises God's healing for all kinds of diseases, and encourages us to pray for healing.SO, when Trixie comes on sort of snidely -- or so it sounded to me -- acting as if the connection between sin and disease means we aren't to pray for healing, and not only that but this is all something I personally seem to have invented, rather than that both can be shown to be in the Bible, without ambiguity, and of course with the implication that I'm this mean nasty person who doesn't want people to be healed all rolled into it, which is typical EvC-think, I experienced some sort of cognitive meltdown. It felt like somebody had just dumped this garbage on me that I was never going to dig my way out of -- though I did answer her more or less cautiously, as even Percy acknowledged. If he hadn't joined in the fray on her side it might have finally worked its way out to the light.}This message has been edited by Faith, 01-06-2006 08:43 PM

Does he retain his surmising privileges?This message has been edited by Faith, 01-06-2006 09:43 PM