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randman 
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Message 256 of 302 (282104)
01-28-2006 3:18 AM


nosey's attack
Rev attacks me with unfounded accusations and personal attacks instead of answering the factual presentations in the thread.
I say, and justly so.
Rev, respond to the facts presented or shut the heck up.
What's wrong with that?
Nosey who routinely moderates in a manner seeming to deliberately use his position to harass unjustly people he disagrees with, jumps in and instead of telling rev to deal with the facts and quit making false personal attacks, writes this:
Ucalled for
Do it again and you take a break.
It was definitely called for. My argument is based in facts and analysis. The whole historical rewriting that the thread claims is due to fundies is in fact, due to multiculturalists and it started with secularists rewriting history to deemphasize Christianity, and for an example, I gave the great misssionary LIvingston who is presented simply as an explorer, so much so one poster insisted he was mainly just an explorer.
Rev then jumps in and says that is a paranoid rant.
Imo, allowing Nosey to continually use his mod position to harass non-evos is wrong and reflects very poorly on this board.

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Message 257 of 302 (282114)
01-28-2006 6:10 AM
Reply to: Message 255 by Parasomnium
01-27-2006 3:13 PM


Re: Moderating
I just wanted to say, I have read it three times and it still makes me laugh.

holmes
"What you need is sustained outrage...there's far too much unthinking respect given to authority." (M.Ivins)

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Silent H
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Message 258 of 302 (282116)
01-28-2006 6:47 AM
Reply to: Message 256 by randman
01-28-2006 3:18 AM


Re: nosey's attack
Hopefully this will be taken as well meant...
allowing Nosey to continually use his mod position to harass non-evos is wrong and reflects very poorly on this board.
It is apparent that several mods here are unfair and yes you are getting your (un)fair share of abuse. This is not just happening to you, and I mentioned it a while back (which I guess put me on some shit list). Yes this does reflect poorly on this board... but only for those that care about such things. Since the majority are not being treated unfairly, and can get a laugh at the expense of those who are, it is unlikely to change.
In this particular case Ned does not seem off base. Yeah, he could have addressed Rev first, but your post was simply a short and angry challenge. Its not like Ned simply suspended you without warning, he was suggesting what not to do again, and my guess is that would include tone of your message. It could have been written with less hostility to make the same point.
As far as the general trend of behavior here, I think in the end you are simply going to have to give up on expecting fair treatment and asking for it. After all if they are unfair, what is the point of making an appeal to them? It just asks for more brutality from an abuser.
You'll need to effect your own behavior, posting or not (and be content with whichever choice), because they will not review their own. Make a decision if you want to stay in a place like this and post within whatever skewed limits are set on you, or leave because there is no point in being treated poorly. In a way its sort of liberating when you come to terms with the fact that you will see no justice, and just have to get along or get out on your own terms.
However, if you do continue to post, just remember that sometimes the mods are right, thus you SHOULDN'T dismiss all of what they say as pure bias (for example this case), even if it does happen. Take a deep breath and look at what is being asked. Make a choice to do it or not, regardless of why it is being asked.

holmes
"What you need is sustained outrage...there's far too much unthinking respect given to authority." (M.Ivins)

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Message 259 of 302 (282121)
01-28-2006 8:39 AM
Reply to: Message 256 by randman
01-28-2006 3:18 AM


Re: nosey's attack
randman,
Please add a link to the posts that you're referring to here.
Thanks.
This message has been edited by AdminBen, Saturday, 2006/01/28 05:39 AM

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    Message 260 of 302 (282131)
    01-28-2006 9:49 AM
    Reply to: Message 259 by AdminBen
    01-28-2006 8:39 AM


    Re: nosey's attack
    Hi Ben,
    See Message 86 (which is from me) and work backwards. I've already asked AdminBuzsaw to take a look.
    In effect, randman is saying things like this, which is from Message 78:
    randman writes:
    If there is any paranoia around here, it is among the rabid Christian haters posting things like Christians want to hurt small children, molest them, ruin science, take over America, impose theocracy, etc, etc,....
    He seems to feel that that characterizing this as paranoia is a violation of the Forum Guidelines which therefore justifies his abuse of other members by ignoring their arguments, calling them liars, etc.

    --Percy
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    Message 261 of 302 (282141)
    01-28-2006 12:22 PM
    Reply to: Message 258 by Silent H
    01-28-2006 6:47 AM


    Re: nosey's attack
    Hopefully this will be taken as well meant...
    That is certainly how I take it.
    ... (which I guess put me on some shit list)
    You are not on any such list that I know about.


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    Cold Foreign Object 
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    Message 262 of 302 (282176)
    01-28-2006 2:19 PM


    Plargiarism Charge
    Crashfrog vomits it here:
    http://EvC Forum: Chimpanzee-human genetic gap -->EvC Forum: Chimpanzee-human genetic gap
    I reply here and ask that he supports or withdraw. This type of accusation should always be accompanied with the evidence.
    http://EvC Forum: Chimpanzee-human genetic gap -->EvC Forum: Chimpanzee-human genetic gap
    Ray

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    Message 263 of 302 (282178)
    01-28-2006 2:30 PM
    Reply to: Message 262 by Cold Foreign Object
    01-28-2006 2:19 PM


    Re: Plargiarism Charge not found
    Ray I looked over your link and see no accusation of plagiarism.

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    Message 264 of 302 (282182)
    01-28-2006 2:57 PM
    Reply to: Message 263 by AdminJar
    01-28-2006 2:30 PM


    Re: Plargiarism Charge not found
    Crashfrog writes:
    If you didn't understand the question, it would be better for you to say so, rather than cut and paste some ridiculous screed instead of answering my question.
    Why don't you answer my question instead of cutting and pasting nonsense?
    By asserting I "cut and pasted" what I wrote = saying I plagiarized what I wrote without attribution.
    Where is his evidence that this is a "cut and paste" = plagiarism ?
    Ray

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    Message 265 of 302 (282184)
    01-28-2006 3:15 PM
    Reply to: Message 264 by Cold Foreign Object
    01-28-2006 2:57 PM


    Re: Plargiarism Charge not found
    By asserting I "cut and pasted" what I wrote = saying I plagiarized what I wrote without attribution.
    I took crashfrog as saying that what you wrote was badly wrong, but that he would give you the benefit of the doubt by assuming it was only cut and paste and not something you would write yourself.
    I agree with AdminJar that you were not being accused of plagiarism.


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    Message 266 of 302 (282189)
    01-28-2006 3:36 PM
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    01-28-2006 3:15 PM


    Re: Plargiarism Charge found
    I agree with AdminJar that you were not being accused of plagiarism.
    I didn't ask for Darwinian Mods to agree with a Creationist. I pointed out a self evident fact. Whether you agree or not it is still a plagiarism charge. My only point is to show the board how unobjective everyone knows you guys to be.
    Darwinian ability to deduce obscure fossil scraps to be as their worldview needs them to be, yet the sudden inability to identify admitted plagiarism charge = makes sense.
    What I didn't realize, or rather forgot, was how angry you evos are.
    Anyone who would assert mankind evolved from apes = enraged atheism.
    Ray

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    Message 267 of 302 (282193)
    01-28-2006 3:53 PM
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    01-28-2006 3:36 PM


    omgz emo
    cut and paste does not plagarism make. you might be cutting and pasting from your grand and mysterious paper. doesn't matter. making statements isn't evidence. present evidence and cite them or be quiet. but stop professing grand atheist conspiracy.

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    Message 268 of 302 (282194)
    01-28-2006 4:16 PM
    Reply to: Message 266 by Cold Foreign Object
    01-28-2006 3:36 PM


    plagiarism
    ray, you are obviously enraged. it is apparent you are upset in a irrational manner caused by the inability to refute or engage.
    this is just another fundamentalist rant. absurd nonsense from a confused mind made neccessary by your fundamentalist conspiracy worldview and theistic needs. to deflect from this fact you misrepresent.

    אָרַח

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    Message 269 of 302 (282204)
    01-28-2006 4:40 PM
    Reply to: Message 268 by arachnophilia
    01-28-2006 4:16 PM


    Re: plagiarism
    All my words plagiarized without attribution.
    Showing the board that he dares any Admin to say the above.
    Arach is an uneducated juvenile who actually made an argument defending his hillbilly punctuation/grammar. This is probably the first reply I have given him in some time in lieu of the preceding and in lieu of the Admins coddling this drop-out.
    Ray
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    Message 270 of 302 (282207)
    01-28-2006 4:44 PM
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    01-28-2006 2:19 PM


    Re: Plargiarism Charge
    You've misunderstood, and you're blowing it way out of proportion.
    All I meant was that you copied and pasted some kind of boilerplate response (or perhaps out of your oft-mentioned "paper") you have to "Darwinists" (whatever they are) rather than actually grappling with my questions. Questions you still have not responded to.
    Also, you never provided any indication or support for your assertion of "experiments".
    You have not been accused of plagarism, and this attempt and distraction and diversion is both reprehensible and futile.

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