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AdminBuzsaw
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Message 214 of 304 (412933)
07-26-2007 9:24 PM


IamJoseph's Suspension Lifted
I have decided to shorten the suspension of IamJoseph. Welcome back IamJoseph
Edited by AdminBuzsaw, : Change to admin account
Edited by AdminBuzsaw, : No reason given.
Edited by Buzsaw, : Change author ID

For ideological balance on the EvC admin team as a Biblical creationist.

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AdminBuzsaw
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Message 219 of 304 (413074)
07-27-2007 3:03 PM
Reply to: Message 218 by jar
07-27-2007 2:43 PM


Re: IamJoseph's Suspension Lifted
You have no doubt been aware where others have been shortened from time to time as well. Actually I had intended to lower it to one full day but I got up in Board Central and couldn't figure out how to shorten. While in the process I reinstated him to see if that would help to get a new field to work with. After I logged off board central other things came up in my schedule at home and when I got back I saw that he was still unsuspended so I dedided to leave it as it was since I messed up.
The reason I suspended him in the first place was for mouthing off to AdminNosy. After discussion in PAF, Admin and I both agreed that it might be best to shorten a tad. We do need creationists on the board as we all know. As Admin says, some folks can be wrong on some things but when conclusively shown so, the main problem is if they continue promoting a fully substantiated (I say fully substantiated/falsified) -- make that empirically falsified argument.
Jar, I've had enough to do with you to be assured that just because you alledge something to be falsified that it's not always necessarily so. So you should climb down off your arrogant highhorse and act more civil toward your counterparts in debate. That makes the board a much more pleasant place to hang out for us all.

For ideological balance on the EvC admin team as a Biblical creationist.

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AdminBuzsaw
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Message 221 of 304 (413101)
07-27-2007 4:24 PM
Reply to: Message 220 by jar
07-27-2007 3:26 PM


Re: IamJoseph's Suspension Lifted
As I've already stated, it is not exclusively creos who's penalties are shortened. It happens regularly for both members of sides of the isle. IamJoseph, imo deserves no less or no more consideration than anyone else so far as my moderation goes. I don't see it as any more significant than the recent evolutionists who's penalties where shortened.

For ideological balance on the EvC admin team as a Biblical creationist.

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AdminBuzsaw
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Message 279 of 304 (415900)
08-12-2007 9:07 PM


Supporting Assertions
Jar and PaulK, we all think our position is the one supported and factual. You two members need to understand that there are times when creationists do not think you are supporting your asertions as well. My admonitions did not support any position. That's not why I saw the need to moderate. You people generally are not in the position as IAJ was and the other few of us Biblicalist IDers where you are debating a number of counterparts. There were times when IAJ felt you were not supporting your claims as well, but he was a gentleman enough to say so in a manner conducive to keeping the peace. Likely in some cases he was justified in making the claim, just as you think you were. I thought he kept his cool remarkably well, considering the way he was being treated.
Some of the supportive documentation such as the Davidic kingdom, for example would have been leading off topic. There were others as well. All I ask/require is that instead of (particularly Jar) calling everthing stupid and other demeaning remarks to in a respectful manner state your specific problem with the point which you feel needed clarified or corrected, et al rather than to get personal. This is what the Forum Guidelines calls for.

For ideological balance on the EvC admin team as a Biblical creationist.

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AdminBuzsaw
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Message 282 of 304 (415905)
08-12-2007 9:22 PM
Reply to: Message 277 by PaulK
08-12-2007 6:36 PM


Re: AdminBuz in Exodus, merneptah Stele etc. thread
PaulK writes:
Why single out IaJ's opponents for warnings with no criticism for IaJ ?
Perhaps you need to reread my moderation where I already addressed this. I said that there may have been times when IAJ was the one leading off. I added that other moderators had already taken care of that, implying that there was no need for me to do so.
Creationists get no leeway here. Are you forgetting that three moderators moderated IAJ before my actions? I'm not being critical of them for doing so. I'm supporting my claim that we get no leeway just because we're creationists. My understanding is that one of my purposes for being moderator is to be representative of the minority constituency when I see the need. Had I opened that thread earlier in the debate, likely I would have said something in one of the earlier pages of the thread.

For ideological balance on the EvC admin team as a Biblical creationist.

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AdminBuzsaw
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Message 283 of 304 (415906)
08-12-2007 9:25 PM
Reply to: Message 281 by jar
08-12-2007 9:20 PM


Re: Supporting Assertions
Get over it, Jar. Nobody's getting special treatment here.

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AdminBuzsaw
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Message 288 of 304 (415982)
08-13-2007 8:53 AM
Reply to: Message 286 by PaulK
08-13-2007 2:35 AM


Re: AdminBuz in Exodus, merneptah Stele etc. thread
PaulK, Your bulligerency is typical of why I said what I said. I'm not the perfect moderator, but I've treated you and Jar no worse or better than the treatment IAJ got from those who moderated him.
Don't expect creationists who take a different position than you to cowtow to everything you claim to be factual. Whether IAJ always supported his position fully I don't know, but I do know that he was more of a gentleman in his conduct than some of his counterparts and that he put a lot more time and work into the one on many debate than any other single participant did, simply because he had to single handedly debate them all. He deserved better treatment than he got from some members and that's mainly what motivated me to act.
I stand by my action and so long as I'm a moderator, just like the others I will call it as I see it. I will hold you, Jar and others to the same standard of conduct that is expected of IAJ and the rest of us. You can't tell me that if IAJ treated Jar as Jar consistently treated him that he would have gotten by with doing so -- no way would that have been allowed, nor would he have been allowed to assume the bulligerent meanspirited attitude others expressed towards him on occasion.
Other mods may want to weigh in here, but that's how I see it.

For ideological balance on the EvC admin team as a Biblical creationist.

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AdminBuzsaw
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Message 293 of 304 (416119)
08-14-2007 12:15 AM
Reply to: Message 291 by Admin
08-13-2007 3:21 PM


Re: AdminBuz in Exodus, merneptah Stele etc. thread
The Forum Guidelines do apply to a reasonable amount of respect for one's counterpart. I saw all the work one member extended into painstakenly responding to a host of counterparts, who obviously chose to engage with him in the topic. At one point I recall Brian saying he saw where IAJ "was coming from" on a particular point et al.
As for IAJ being absent, I thought I saw an August 10 date of one of his posts, perhaps in that thread. I'll have to check that out.
Some of the members who engaged in the thread were able to do so without being meanspirited. Imo, Paulk and Jar in particular have a fairly consistent caustic attitude toward creationist counterparts. I believe you at one time that I registered a complaint about Jar's caustic behavior advised me to the effect that I should deal with it as moderator instead of whining or something like that.
It seems that my role as Biblical creationist moderator for balance gets a lot less support from the team and a lot more flack than I had hoped for. I don't think I was being more picky on these people than other mods are on occasion. We all make our mistakes and we all have our times when we see the need to deal with what we may see and others don't.
I will continue to do the best I know how so long as you want me in this role. I will tolerate a resonable amount of vigorous exchange in the debates, but there comes a point when I will act as I did here when I see the need to do so.
I don't see IAJ as an idiot as you appear to have implied in the saying. If you really think he's that bad, maybe it's time to let him go. He cited some links supportive of his position meaning that there were at least some other significant creationist sites who's position was as his was and I'm quite sure they're not all that idiotic. He did this without quoting long links but often citing the links and typing his own summary of the supportive point as is the way it should be generally I believe. One of his counterparts (don't remember who) at one time criticized him for using creo links, but hey, what ta heck is a creo to do in debate? Use links supportive of the opposition's position?

For ideological balance on the EvC admin team as a Biblical creationist.

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AdminBuzsaw
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Message 294 of 304 (416121)
08-14-2007 12:36 AM
Reply to: Message 292 by Taz
08-13-2007 5:53 PM


Re: AdminBuz in Exodus, merneptah Stele etc. thread
Taz writes:
My point exactly.
But your point also included Biblical creationist's doing our thing of advocating Biblical creationism. We're sometimes damned if we do and conformists if we don't.

For ideological balance on the EvC admin team as a Biblical creationist.

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AdminBuzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 301 of 304 (416251)
08-14-2007 10:37 PM
Reply to: Message 295 by PaulK
08-14-2007 2:13 AM


Re: AdminBuz in Exodus, merneptah Stele etc. thread
PaulK writes:
Jar can defend himself. But you have no valid ground for objecting to my pointing out the blatant falsehoods and misrepresentations that many creationists post. Again, if you were really interested in helping the creationist side you should be policing this sort of thing.
Pointing out's ok Paul, but there are times when you could to do so in a less caustic manner.
PaulK writes:
The fact that you were acting AGAINST balance probably has a lot to do with the lack of support.
Mayby so. I don't think so.
PaulK writes:
Moderation already favours the creationist side. It needs no correction.
It was Admin who saw the need for creo moderators.
PaulK writes:
And none of the other mods resurrect threads 12 days after the last post to make completely one-sided assessments. If the sides were reversed you would be complaining loudly about the unfair moderation. And for once you'd be right to do so.
Conceed. I should have paid more attention to time frame and let that one slide.
PaulK writes:
Anybody can set up a website. And citing a website doesn't mean that it supports IaJ's claims. You should know that. In the big fuss over your last departure you cited an idiotic website AND one which in fact contradicted you.
That's all subject to debate. No comment here.
PaulK writes:
Well, I would suggest using accurate and reliable websites instead. If the creationist can't find any then it's time for the intellectually honest creationist to reassess his position.
Likely relative to mindset. Again debatable.
Have a good evening. Hopefully that will wind up our discussion here.

For ideological balance on the EvC admin team as a Biblical creationist.

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