General Discussion Of Moderation Procedures 11.0

The recent 24 hour suspension of brenna and spidey for being too chatty seems a bit much, esp. without any moderator warning.They were, after all, discussing the difficulties of dealing with a specific creationist in the context of a topic concerning what makes a good creationist interlocutor.You can find a dozen examples of chat in the current top ten topics, but no suspensions for it.Was there something peculiarly odious about this instance?Edited by Omnivorous, : No reason given.

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Well, Moose, I read their posts in that thread and they were all dealing with the subject matter of the topic. Sorry but I see no chatlining unless you think actually responding to someone is a chat.

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B, message 13: A, message 15: B, message 17: A, message 18: B, message 19: A, message 20: B, message 21: You're calling this quality on-topic debate? I certainly don't. And A and B have a history of such behavior. Especially B, maybe not so much A.Others chipped in a bit also, but A and B were the catalysts and main participants.I was going to make it a 6 hour suspension, but neither are currently on line, making a short suspension rather meaningless. Thus 24 hours. Kind of like a 6 hour while on-line suspension.AdminnemooseusAdded by edit: And why should they need a warning? They're both intelligent people that should know better. Besides, I'm pretty sure both have been warned (directly or indirectly) about such things in the past.Edited by Adminnemooseus, : See above.

Whatever Your Grace.

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So they were suspended for something that ceased to be a problem?

They were suspended for doing something they should have known better. They were suspended to try to teach them and others not to do such again in the future. Pretty much like any other non-permanent suspension.Adminnemooseus

Not meaning to look like I'm kissing up to adminmoose, but I'd have to agree with moose on this one. In fact, right before the suspension, I did notice the chat-like conversation A and B were having and only by the grace of Zeus did I stop myself from pointing it out myself.

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just a clarification.does every post here need to be a lengthy, well-reasoned formal argument? is there a minimum post length i should try to adhere to in the future? and is quantity the same thing as quality? i thought my points were precisely on-topic, and sufficiently, not to mention effectively argued the point (singular) that needed to be addressed.i'm not upset, i just don't totally understand. there are other posts in that same thread where i practically asked to be suspended in fairness, and i'm not exactly sure any of the line of discussion i started was on-topic for your thread. even if it is my post in objection in this thread that started the whole thing. basically, of all the things i thought i might be suspended for, i wasn't expecting punishment without warning for a short, on-topic discussion that had already ceased, for reasons of quick response time and minimum post length.Edited by arachnophilia, : typographical error

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I haven't had a chance to "talk" with Moose, but with the 300 post limit on threads it can frustrating to see a thread being used as a chatroom, especially since the conclusion of any thread is always followed by new thread proposals which moderators must review, and Moose is one of the consciencious reviewers. At the next moderator meeting I'll raise the issue of whether a warning should first be issued for chatroom behavior.

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i think there should be some consideration as to whether or not an admin can moderate his own thread.

Generally speaking a mod should be careful when moderating a thread they are active in.However, when they aren't involved in a particular sub-discussion within that thread it isn't necessarily out of line to act on that. Especially if all participants in the sub-discussion are treated the same.

Please do, because neither of them deserved to be suspended for any length of time for such a minor infraction.Now, I do agree with Moose's premise, that treating a forum like a chatroom should be discouraged, but at the same time, Brenna and Arach should have been warned prior.Had they disregarded a clear warning, then all bets are off.

we have been warned on previous occasions, but this wasn't an instance i was expecting to be punished for -- all the posts were precisely on topic, just short logical arguments. they weren't wasting thread space with off-topic banter, in-jokes, or any of that sort of thing. they were just on-topic arguments. albeit short ones.

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Well, then that might change the dynamic of the situation. But I can't really say for sure, being that I didn't witness any of the dialogue in context. Yeah, I agree. Jar was right when he made mention of you being on topic. I don't think the length of a post is a good criteria, otherwise, somebody with as much brevity as Ringo would be off topic all the time!

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well, yes. what happens when you or i post one-sentance replies to little one-sentance snippets of another post, such as right now?is it better when there are more snippets per post? why?

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