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ringo
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Message 117 of 300 (225732)
07-23-2005 3:39 PM 		Reply to: Message 111 by EltonianJames
07-23-2005 2:29 PM

Re: ARE YOU QUALIFIED?
EltonianJames writes:
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Anyone can believe themselves to be a Christian but all too often their words betray them....
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"By their fruits ye shall know them."
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Many of the loudly-professing "Christians" around here don't behave anything like Christians.
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"Judge not, lest ye be judged."
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It is not for you to decide who is a Christian or what is required to be a Christian.
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People who think they have all the answers usually don't understand the questions.
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ringo
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Message 120 of 300 (225736)
07-23-2005 3:45 PM 		Reply to: Message 116 by Admin
07-23-2005 3:27 PM

Admin writes:
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Might it be the same thing to say in the religious forums, "The Bible is only a book, Jesus may never have existed." At least if said without substantiation.
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But the Bible is "only a book" and Jesus may never have existed.
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How can somebody who takes that position be expected to substantiate a negative? Isn't it the positive side - i.e. that the Bible is a unique book and that jesus did exist - the position which needs to be substantiated?
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People who think they have all the answers usually don't understand the questions.
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ringo
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Message 294 of 300 (236620)
08-24-2005 8:51 PM 		Reply to: Message 292 by randman
08-24-2005 7:58 PM

randman writes:
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I even had one poster tell me the threads are not the people on them, but "for the lurkers".
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Of course they are.
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Do you really think you're going to convince the person you're debating with? Do you think Kerry was trying to convince Bush? Or Bush was trying to convince Kerry?
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A debate is for the audience. If you understood that, you might do better around here.
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People who think they have all the answers usually don't understand the questions.
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ringo
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08-24-2005 10:54 PM 		Reply to: Message 296 by randman
08-24-2005 10:05 PM

Ringo's Debating Tips: Lesson 1
randman writes:
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... wouldn't it be better for some of you evos to take the time to actually understand what your critics are saying, and then answer the substance of their points rather than try to score debating points "for the lurkers"?
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It's not about "scoring points". It's about making your case in a way that the lurkers can understand. That is what you consistently fail to do.
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Don't worry about whether the "evos" take the trouble to understand what you're saying.
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I had a teacher once who said, "If you can't explain it to an eight-year-old, you don't understand it." If you do understand what you're trying to put across, put it across in such a way that an eight-year-old lurker could understand.
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Clearly, you're not getting through to your "opponents". If you're not getting through to the lurkers, what are you doing here?
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People who think they have all the answers usually don't understand the questions.
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