Faith's Participation in EvC

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can you imagine if we removed, say, brad mcfall because nobody can actively engage in a constructive conversation with him? is it his fault, or our fault for not understanding what he's talking about?

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I think the biggest issue there is that Faith has the third highest post count on the board.Brad is nowhere close to that.Also, Brad is a sweetheart.

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why is that an issue, exactly?

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she has to defend much more of her side of the argument than the average "evolutionist" does, because there's les of her to go around.

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That is certainly true, and I concede that point.

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she's also been here a very, very long time.

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If you look at when she registered in October 2001, yes, although her participation doesn't really begin until February 2005.I've been a member of this community way back when it was a Yahoo Group, and then before that when it was a Yahoo Club. I took a little time coming along to register in this new format, as well, registering in December of 2001.Faith has made slightly more posts in 21 months than it has taken me five and a half years to accumulate. I don't really think that I post all that rarely; indeed, I check in here nearly every day and usually post at least one or two messages each time I am here.And this prolific posting rate includes several lengthy absences on faith's part, at least one of which lasted for several months, IIRC.So, she hasn't really been here that long, yet has a very high post count.Anyway, I do not think it wise to ban Faith. I agree with Archer's take on things; I never hope to have a real discussion with Faith, but I value her for being a more worthy opponent than most Creationists. At least she is more sophisticated than what we typically dealt with back in the Yahoo days; "If humans came from monkeys, why are there still monkeys around?"

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"Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends! Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!"
- Ned Flanders"Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." - Thomas Jefferson

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You post count is too high, says another. Well, your count may be high, but your posting rate, i.e. the average number of posts per day since registering - a much more interesting statistic in my opinion - is just below that of your accuser, Schrafinator.

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Just in case you miss my reply to arach, I'll repeat what I told him.First of all, Faith has slightly more posts than me as of this afternoon.Second, although we registered within 2 months of each other in 2001, Faith didn't really begin her participation here until 2005.It took faith less than two years to amass what has taken me over five and a half years to accumulate.She has only 12 pages of posts compared to my 37.Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.

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on one hand, people jump on faith for not answering everything. on the other, people jump on her for posting too much. can faith win this game?

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First off, I want to be clear that I do not belive Faith to be a troll.Second, the reason posting levels were ever brought up was because Brad McFall was mentioned in comparison to Faith as having not incurred the mod's attention even though he contributes very little with his posts. I simply suggested that the reason this was so, and why Faith did attract moderator attention (among other reasons) was because Faith has so very many more posts than Brad.I am positive that if Brad had posted almost 10,000 messages in less than two years, he would have been banned by now.

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what is science - if it is not my own philosophy of science?.

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We have a forum for discussing this very question and I'd be very interested in participating in this sort of topic.But, to answer your question in short...What science is has been agreed upon and developed over the years.I like the short essay found here, a few excerpts are below: Pertaining more directly to your point about people haveing "personal" philosophies of science: Again, please start a thread in the Is It Science forum and I will join you there.

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"Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends! Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!"
- Ned Flanders"Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." - Thomas Jefferson

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I.....agree.....with....banzai......you

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See now, that didn't hurt too much, did it?You should agree with me more often. I promise it gets easier with practice.

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I hold to a God ordained view of man/woman relationship...ta very much

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Me too. The Goddess is very clear in what she directs.

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Steady Schraf...its about an equality so equal it would send shivers down your spine

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I already experience an exceedingly spine-shivering equality in my "man/woman relationship", thanks very much.I wish everyone to enjoy such equality with their spouse/S.O..Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.

This...:

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God forbid that Science be merely the fashion of the ideology of the times in which it was developed.

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...doesn't at all follow from this:

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What science isn't is what has been agreed upon and developed over the years. Science is far more objective than such a flimsy notion as "what some agreed upon and developed over the years".

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It is far simpler than that - I must suppose. Your way suggests that "if the times had been different the science would have been different" *shivers*

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Of course I didn't mean to imply that at all."What science is has been agreed upon and developed over the years" is certainly accurate, but it was admittedly a shorthand way of saying that what we think of as "the scientific method" wasn't made in a day, or even a century.It took quite a few years to develop and refine the most accurate way (to date) to investigate natural phenomena.Read the essay I linked to. It should answer all of your questions regarding if we should give Faith's personal "philosophy of science" equal weight to that of thousands of professional scientists.

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You seem to have given a tight synopsis: "Science is whatever the scientists say it is"

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Oh dear..!

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Would you be similarly concerned if I said that "Plumbing is whatever plumbers say it is."?

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its completely disrespectful of Faith-- somebody who never resorts to childish antics or ad hom.

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!*wipes tears from eyes*That was a good one, juggs, thank you. Made my evening.