Faith's Participation in EvC

I think Faith should stay. My only concern is when in a science thread she is allowed by moderation to make up her own facts.The most recent example of this that I can think of is the Barrier to Macroevolution thread where she and mj were arguing on the basis of genetic "losses" with no foundation other than their "reasoning". No support was giving an an entire thread was wasted on the basis of an unsupported assumption. When called upon it, simple refusal to support said assumption was given again with the excuse that it had been "reasoned" out earlier and that she was unwilling to repeat the claimed support.This simply should not have been allowed. The rules state that you need to support your argument with evidence.I would hate to see Faith go but I do believe that more moderation should be applied when these ad-hoc claimed evidentiary arguments are made.

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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

The "reasoned argument" was tossed out the window when this was ignored: I also don't feel that any "reason" was used at all and expressed that as much. Faith and MJ were both starting from a assumption that they were hoping was true and simply made some claims to seem like it was supported with "reason". They were called on this and merely took offense rather than address the rebuttals head on.

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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

Premature submit, see following post.Edited by Jazzns, : Dupe

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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

There is the letter of that rule and then there is the spirit of that rule. I might 'reason' that pink fairies came into my room last night and turned off my alarm clock and that is why I was late for work today. If I don't entertain any challanges to that though then my 'reasoning' has ceased and I am only being a troll of I insist on continuing to parrot that claim. This is especially true if it is a basis for some larger outlandish claim such as the pink fairies will destroy the world in 2018.It seems silly but that is pretty much the exact analogy to what happened in the Barrier thread. Faith invented her own facts and what could have been a fruitful discussion turned into dredge of everybody entertaining Faith's fantasy. Para and I both spoke up towards the end and even started a continuation thread about the real issue but it petered out.I think this is the behavior that Percy is talking about. That thread was dragged so far from reality that it pretty much has no value as a discussion.Now I don't think Faith should be banned for this because she is not the only one who does this nor is the behavior a creo only trait. Just look at the recentish threads between holmes and crash. Two posters who I respect pretty much just flinging and dodging poo. And it is not like that behavior was new either. I think Faith's case is just more in the lime light because it is in threads that interest Percy.

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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

You could not have picked a worse example. The foundation of her claims were never substantiated. Even when given an opportunity to back it up: Can Genetic Loss Increase Diversity?the silence became deafening.

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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

You are correct in that those are all great ideas.The problem is that they do not correspond to reality given even an ELEMENTARY UNDERSTANDING of the facts. Being that you more than amply demonstrated that you have absolutly no idea how sedimentation works and have admitted as much that you don't care to learn, I find this to be an incredible statement. The most you have ever done is proclaim about how "IMPOSSIBLE" it all "looks". Can Genetic Loss Increase Diversity? is still waiting for you to go back up your basic assumption.You DO bring up good questions. But you do NOT follow through.

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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

I would just like to point out that this can go both ways and really is par for the course for this debate. I learned awhile back not to get too frustrated having to revisit, reexplain, resupport, etc my arguments.I just wanted to let you know that I understand where you are coming from. Putting myself in your shoes I can see how it can be frustrating if you think you have adequatly answered someones challange. Part of the debate though is the back and forth that comes from further challanging the adequacy of those answers.I don't expect the things I say to be taken as adequate. I expect/hope for someone to stand up and challange me even if it is the 10th time I have tried to explain something.Now put yourself in one of our shoes. Imagine trying to explain some of the elementary points of a science that YOU KNOW are crucial to the discussion to someone who refuses to listen with the excuse that it is too technical or not relevant.Yes there are sometimes that I feel some people don't quite listen to your points. But you have to agree there are many times where you are as equally and frustratingly dismissive.

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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

Maybe you should do more GD topics or even choose to do a Showcase topic where it would only be a few on few. Select some eager opponents or let them volunteer and avoid the pile on. If all that is prohibiting you from taking the time to understand the arguments against you is the volume, then decrease the volume.

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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)