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RAZD
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Message 22 of 468 (493464)
01-08-2009 11:45 PM


WESTERNJOE
A new poster, westernjoe, on Speciation + Evolution = More Diversity is off-topic and seems to think it is funny, even though a link to the appropriate thread has been provided 3 times.

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Message 29 of 468 (493987)
01-12-2009 12:11 PM


looks like spam

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Message 50 of 468 (496046)
01-25-2009 11:06 PM


another hit and run spammer
http://EvC Forum: A Creation Website For Children -->EvC Forum: A Creation Website For Children
I suggest deleting his links if he doesn't stick around.

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Message 112 of 468 (513494)
06-29-2009 7:40 AM
Reply to: Message 108 by Admin
06-11-2009 10:26 AM


More Spam

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Message 114 of 468 (514012)
07-03-2009 7:30 AM


more spam

RAZD
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Message 116 of 468 (516672)
07-26-2009 6:04 PM


Will someone tell Straggler to shove it?
I would appreciate it if some administrator told straggler to stop misrepresenting my position.
We now have a new thread he is starting and still has to misrepresent my position in it.
He has absolutely failed to justify his straw man versions of my arguments by actually going back to the original sources as challenged to do so on Message 332, a challenge he accepted in Message 334
I will put up or shut up.
He has done neither. This shows dishonesty. Again.
You can pretty much assume that if he needs to refer to a position as "RAZD" in his argument that he is wrong.
He is free to make whatever claims he wants about what he believes, but it is just plain false and dishonest behavior to attribute his continued false straw man positions to me.
Personally I think Is My Hypothesis Valid??? should be closed, it's well over the 300 post limit, and no new concepts have been discussed. Straggler is like a broken record.
I also think it would be pointless to promote the new thread, but that is not my decision.
I do take exception to using my name in vain.
I would have thought that "going postal" in Message 138 and again in Message 301 would have knocked some sense into him. It didn't.
I would have thought that the Message 332 message would have drawn some admin admonishment for him to support his assertions according to the forum guidelines
Thank you.
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RAZD
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Message 128 of 468 (519041)
08-10-2009 8:37 PM
Reply to: Message 127 by Admin
08-02-2009 8:51 AM


another one for the trash bin and banning
see new proposed thread
Message 1
We don't need this kind of hate mongering

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RAZD
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Message 130 of 468 (519047)
08-10-2009 9:06 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by Theodoric
08-10-2009 8:53 PM


Re: another one for the trash bin and banning
look at the second link - is this a way to treat any human being?

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RAZD
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Message 133 of 468 (519267)
08-12-2009 8:33 PM
Reply to: Message 127 by Admin
08-02-2009 8:51 AM


Re: A Brief Comment about Getting Along
Hi Percy, I'm putting my answer to Message 164 here so I don't disrupt the "Peanut Gallery" further.
Sorry, really, but I don't think this will go away until Straggler "mans-up" and either admits he was wrong or actually does the work necessary to show that he was right - something I have challenged him to do, and which he promise but has yet to do -- and promising to do something, and then not doing it, is lying in my book.
If you cannot discuss a topic without ad hominem then please don't discuss it here.
Curiously, I don't consider true observations of actual behavior to be ad hominems, but factual statements. If it were an isolated event, then that would be one thing, but when it is a consistent, persistent, unwavering and unrepentant series of false statements, forming the core of a persons argument, in spite of many posts on my part to correct them, then the complexion changes and the lies become a part of the argument being addressed.
I am frankly appalled that no admin has seen fit to tell Straggler to substantiate his claims or stop making them, and thus have adopted the policy of not reading a single thing he has to say anymore. This process would be alleviated by having another link under a persons name, below the one that shows only that persons posts, to hide all posts by said person - this could show up automatically when replies are made as "ignored". This is how other forums have dealt with trolls and trolling behavior.
To you and Straggler:
This is a peanut gallery, not a discussion thread.
Hopefully the same applies to moose: Message 158
And to Mark24: Message 163
Or are people allowed to just post their opinions discussing other people with no comments? Like a drive by shooting? Personally I think the ONLY valid use of a "Peanut Gallery" thread is to discuss a "Great Debate" by people not part of that debate. Any other comments could be made better on the threads involved.
You likely won't be able to convince someone of the flaws in their position until you understand it in the same way they do.
Curiously, part of that process is going back over previous posts by said person to see if in fact you HAVE misunderstood or read too much into them, to see if your opinion of their argument CAN be substantiated by actual posts of that person. This is what I do whenever anyone complains that I've been wrong about them.
Enjoy.

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RAZD
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Message 137 of 468 (519462)
08-13-2009 9:47 PM
Reply to: Message 134 by Admin
08-12-2009 8:55 PM


Re: A Brief Comment about Getting Along
Hi Percy,
All participants in all threads are asked to follow the Forum Guidelines, including rule 10:
AND including rule 4:
4. Points should be supported with evidence and/or reasoned argumentation. Address rebuttals through the introduction of additional evidence or by enlarging upon the argument. Do not repeat previous points without further elaboration. Avoid bare assertions.
I'd like to see this rule applied to each of the assertions about my position as posted by **** ... and any time he mentions my name.
It's on the todo list. Last time I checked I was still only one guy.
Ah, but what a guy... (I can wait).
Enjoy.

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RAZD
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Message 142 of 468 (519977)
08-18-2009 8:23 PM
Reply to: Message 140 by Admin
08-18-2009 7:17 PM


a moderation request
I would also like to note the effect of one person making multiple responses to single posts - if you have something to say, you can say it in one post.
Multiple posts are a form of badgering rather than proper debate: if you don't reply to some they accuse you of avoiding the issue, and if you respond to each one you are soon dominated by responses to one person rather than others on the topic.
Once or twice may be okay, but when it becomes a common pattern every time, then it is troll like behavior and it should be avoided and discouraged.
Thanks.

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RAZD
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Message 148 of 468 (523255)
09-09-2009 7:38 AM
Reply to: Message 147 by Admin
08-28-2009 9:16 AM


new spammer wants links
Self promotion spam
Message 21

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RAZD
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Message 193 of 468 (537444)
11-28-2009 5:46 PM
Reply to: Message 191 by Admin
11-26-2009 8:53 AM


what appears to be the problem from this side of the debate
What Bolder-dash fails to comprehend, apparently, is that his failure to define precisely what he means by "EVOLUTIONARY Change" necessarily leaves us with only the scientific definition and usage -- of evolutionary change to mean the change in the frequency distribution of hereditary traits in breeding populations from generation to generation.
Continuing to repeat his complaint/s, without attempting to further explain what he means, is obviously a futile waste of bandwidth. Trying to shout it (using caps) doesn't add to the definition of what he means.
Simply put, the problem is his lack of communication for what he means by "EVOLUTIONARY Change" and this needs to be resolved before any progress can be made.
I humbly suggest that this be the top priority when the thread re-opens.
Enjoy.

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RAZD
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Message 203 of 468 (538251)
12-04-2009 9:21 PM
Reply to: Message 202 by Straggler
12-04-2009 8:06 PM


Re: 2nd Polite Request from the pot calling the pan black
you first bucko
complaining that I do what you have done all along is hilarious.


see Message 307 for an expose of just this behavior done by Straggler in a way to actually misrepresent what I said.
Enjoy.
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RAZD
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Message 206 of 468 (538557)
12-07-2009 9:27 PM
Reply to: Message 205 by Straggler
12-07-2009 5:03 PM


Look in the mirror before you cast stones ...
Then neither have I.
Nobody always answers all the points in a given thread, and you have "avoided" your share of those (see complaints by others, not just me in this regard), so avoiding part of your thread is not abnormal.
People also frequently reply to a post in bits and parts, and an example of this is your frequent multiple posts responding to one post when a more appropriate response is to either combine them initially, or edit the first to add the second. My response to clarify your mistaken impression of the issue of "santa" was not appropriate for the rest of the sentence, ergo there was no "value added" to have used the whole sentence. As noted, the ellipses (" ... ") is a standard written symbol to denote that there is more than just what was quoted, and I always quote sources if it is not clear what the source is from the post.
One of (several of) my complaints about your posting method is making multiple responses instead of one reply. Having several responses to one post tends to fragment the thread, draw people off onto side topics and use up the 300 limit while making it appear that you are responding to a lot of different posts (perhaps it's an ego thing eh?).
Certainly other posters have complained about some of your posting behavior.
Bottom line, if you want to complain about someone's posting style, then you better be a model poster for the forum (and a model poster wouldn't complain, so there's a catch-22 involved).
Why don't you deal with the issue/s, say the one involving the poor logical position you are in? (see Message 247, green area, for reference).
Enjoy.
OFF TOPIC - Please Do Not Respond to this message by continuing in this vein.
AdminPD
That's okay: I'm done here.
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Edited by RAZD, : note to moderators
Edited by RAZD, : spling

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