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Author Topic:   About that Boat - Noah's Ark
ringo
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Message 275 of 296 (266389)
12-07-2005 1:00 PM
Reply to: Message 271 by Carico
12-07-2005 12:26 PM


What's "new"?
Carico writes:
... wood was a lot newer because trees were newer....
What's that supposed to mean? Aren't all trees "new" when they're planted, even today? And isn't all wood "new", when the tree is cut down?
... there were many more different tree genera than there are now!
Hmm... I thought there were supposed to be fewer genera back then and that explosive "microevolution" expanded the number to what we have today.

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ringo
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Message 288 of 296 (269825)
12-15-2005 9:54 PM
Reply to: Message 286 by NotSoBlindFaith
12-15-2005 8:18 PM


Re: Ark Design
NotSoBlindFaith writes:
... all sloth’s swim very well.
Which ocean do you propose that they swam? The Atlantic or the Pacific? What do you suppose they lived on during that long swim?
...they built a 120 foot boat in 1609, and that also stood up to the forces of the ocean.
120 feet is a far cry from 300 cubits. The practical length of a wooden ship is related to the size of the waves, since the ship flexes to fit the shape of the water. A ship almost four times longer would flex an awful lot more.
Noah’s ark has been tested and found to be nearly impossible to capsize.
No full-size model of Noah's ark has ever been tested, has it? Tests on scale models are irrelevant.
if you have ever seen the release of a predator from even a short time in confinement, they don’t stick around, there out of there the moment you open the cage door.
Yes, and they are killing and eating the herbivores from the next cage. There would certainly have been mass extinctions immediately after the animals were released.
the ark had one large window running along the side, providing adequate ventilation.
Today we have hog barns which are close to the same dimensions of the ark, so we know about caring for large numbers of animals in confined spaces. "One large window running along the side" is absolutely not adequate ventilation. There would be very few survivors after the first few days.
Noah had other species such as dung bettles and others to help with cleanup.
Two dung beetles (I'm assuming that dung beetles are "unclean"). Two dung beetles cleaning up after two elephants sounds like a rather one-sided competition.
it would be easy enough to get rid of excess animal droppings, all that is required is to throw them out the window.
Do the math. Two thousand animals at a several pounds per day, minimum, makes several tons per day, minimum. (This is assuming that the average animal is sheep-sized, as you claim. Of course the real numbers would be much larger.) And that's spread out over, say a hundred thousand square feet of deck space?
And don't forget that they have to put the same amount into the front end too. That's a minimum of several tons of feed per day for 370 days.
You try it. You don't even need the boat. Just try taking care of 250 animals all by yourself for a year.

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ringo
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Message 291 of 296 (269851)
12-15-2005 11:03 PM
Reply to: Message 289 by NotSoBlindFaith
12-15-2005 10:41 PM


Re: Ark Design
NotSoBlindFaith writes:
It is doubtful whether the humans had to clean the cages every morning.
We're not talking about a couple of gerbils here. We're talking about 2000 to 16000 animals. (And you still haven't explained the discrepancy in the numbers.) Trust me, you do have to clean the cages every morning, and you won't be finished by noon, either. Remember, it's like taking care of a minimum of 250 animals by yourself. (And that number could be as high as 2000 by your own reckoning.)
Possibly they had sloped floors....
It's a boat, remember? The floors are always sloping - sometimes this way, sometimes that way. Not exactly a situation conducive to the control of raw sewage.
... where the manure could fall away from the animals and be flushed away (there was plenty of water around.)
First of all, you want to keep most of the water on the outside of the boat, don't you? And second, do you really want a lot of semi-liquid sewage slopping this way and that way inside the boat?
... destroyed by vermicomposting (that’s composting by worms)
That would be two worms again, right? Between them and the two dung beetles, they'd certainly have their, er, hands full.
Very deep bedding can sometimes last for a year without needing a change.
So, why do you suppose modern farmers don't do it that way? Why not just put thirty feet of bedding in the barn, then bulldoze it all out when the pigs go to market?
I'm afraid your "solutions" aren't even close to being adequate.

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