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Message 106 of 517 (251475)
10-13-2005 2:21 PM


another dinosaur-bird thread
could an admin maybe drop a message in metatron's thread about bird tails that i've responded in the archaeopteryx thread as i think the focus of the op is broad enough to include this discussion there. no need for four threads all on the same basic idea.

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Message 108 of 517 (251603)
10-13-2005 9:42 PM
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10-13-2005 7:32 PM


Re: another dinosaur-bird thread
thanks.

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Message 149 of 517 (307754)
04-29-2006 3:01 PM
Reply to: Message 147 by AdminNWR
04-29-2006 2:06 PM


LudoRephaim wanted a one-on-one (or one on two) debate. We would put that in Forum The Great Debate, and give the debaters some flexibility in following guidelines.
i noticed i got called out. brenna alerted me -- you might have noticed that i've been take a little time off the internet. i have two great debates that i've kind of left hanging (and should probably get back to). so i can't really promise any huge degree of participation.
the debate wouldn't go very far to begin with. there is little to nothing in the bible to say, for instance, what exactly the nephilim are. all we have are interpretations and traditions. so at best, one side will claim "so and so read it this way" and the other will counter with "yes, but the bible doesn't say that."
ludo can then point to goliat, and say "he's a giant" and we can say "earlier manuscripts are less exagerated." and then we can run in circles for a bit and not really get anywhere. it'd be kinda like the leviatan posts -- a few good points on either side, but no real way to come to a consensus because there just isn't enough information in the text.
i'm not especially interested in a great debate, but if it gets promoted i'm likely to make a post or two. i suggest opening it up as a normal thread, if ludo's ok with that. as with the leviatan posts, it was pretty much 1-on-1 or 1-on-2 anyways.
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Message 165 of 517 (325057)
06-22-2006 10:11 PM
Reply to: Message 164 by nator
06-22-2006 10:07 PM


Re: The"YEC Problem with Science Above and Beyond Evolution" topic
thirded.
i think it's all too often that we get caught up in the minutia of the debate regarding specific topics, and we often fail to address the over-arching yec-ism has with science in general, and the various other fields it defines as "evolutionary" and requires rejecting.


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Message 169 of 517 (325120)
06-23-2006 1:23 AM
Reply to: Message 166 by Faith
06-22-2006 11:52 PM


That's what I said Omni. I'll leave and you can all congratulate each other since you won't have a YEC to set you straight.
a yec to set us straight about science -- when the yec keeps proclaiming ignorance of the subject? it seems to me that running into an argument and shouting "I DON'T KNOW!" at the top of your lungs is not the best way to win it.
What *exactly* WOULD happen to workaday science if you had to work with a different time frame in mind? Tell ME since you think it would be so devastating. Explain how FACTS, DATA and hypothesizing about them would be specifically affected by having a different time frame in mind.
this is why we need the thread open, so people can answer this very claim. because facts are not determined by frame of mind. geology is not philosophy or a mindset, it's a science.
Are people that ignorant about what YEC is trying to say? Do I really have to deal with this imputing to me the utterly ridiculous idea that I must think that a mile's deep stack of sediments was laid down SIMULTANEOUSLY?? Are you THINKING?
yes, faith, i am thinking. the problem is that many yec's are not. i apologize for misrepresenting your position, but you should realize that many yec's do deny the law of superposition. i did not just make that position up out of thin air.


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Message 171 of 517 (325133)
06-23-2006 1:56 AM
Reply to: Message 170 by anglagard
06-23-2006 1:26 AM


Re: Would Like to Clarify
ahem, um.
the problem with this debate is that it IS multidisciplinary. which means that fights tend to carry across threads. in other words, "too late."


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Message 172 of 517 (325134)
06-23-2006 2:00 AM
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06-22-2006 10:01 PM


Re: The"YEC Problem with Science Above and Beyond Evolution" topic
moose, in the other thread, you wrote:
Almost all of the other opinions are that I was wrong in closing this topic. I think all those opinions are wrong and that this topic is a disaster area in the making, but the micro-masses have spoken.
isn't nearly every topic here a disaster in the making? lol.


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